Originally Posted by babs

BizJet, if your ultimate goal is Delta then why not go to Endeavor?

Originally Posted by PSA help

Delta loves to hire PSA pilots. We have sent more to Delta than AA in the last few months.

Originally Posted by chrisreedrules

I think we may have sent more to Delta than their Endeavor SSP. I kid I kid...

And CR700 paints an incredibly rosey picture. Talk to line pilots at Envoy and see what they have to say. You'll see a different picture.

Originally Posted by chrisreedrules

Huh? Our upgrade was incredibly short in late 2015 when we were hiring street CAs. And it will likely remain around 2 years going forward as we grow and take on more airplanes. Our flow will increase in 2017 and we are in negotiations for it to increase beyond what we currently have using the current metric. The company also seems to want to wait on the arbitrator's final decision about our critical pay and their manipulation of our reserve grid before agreeing to any further changes to our current flow metric. And our reserve/upgrade time is far ahead of Envoy. Our reserve and upgrade times were like yours are now not too long ago. And then we stopped growing for a while. That is about to change and they will be be low again. And in another year Piedmont will be where PSA is now... Its all cyclical. To think otherwise is foolish.

Bottom line to ANY new hires looking at the AAG WOs. You should realistically look at the flows as an attrition generator that will help ensure you experience steady movement up the seniority list. By the time the flow gets around to you, this industry is going to be transformed into something very different than it is today. The flows may or may not exist. Envoy, PSA, and Piedmont may or may not exist. None of us know what's going to happen over the next 5 years because the industry is basically going through some uncharted territory with the regional pilot shortage and the retirements at mainline. Pick the airline that works the best for you and your family and don't get caught up worrying about "who is going to flow me to mainline the quickest". Much has changed in the past couple years, and much will change in the next couple.

And from what I've heard new hires say, they didn't choose Piedmont because of your base options and equipment.

Originally Posted by BizJet

I've heard a lot about Delta picking up PSA guys.

Originally Posted by BizJet

Most of my friends at Envoy are 175 guys that got in during the direct 175 classes. They are happy but the 145 friends say it's turning into XJT 2.0.