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AZFlyer 12-03-2016 07:12 AM


Originally Posted by daOldMan (Post 2254808)
PDT will never get 175s. Why would AAG waste millions of dollars a month on training, maintenance, management, and other costs? AAG is wisely moving flying around based on fleet type to reduce costs and be more efficient. In the end, PSA will fly the CRJs, Envoy will fly the EJets, and PDT will fly the 145's.

Once the fuel prices rise again and the market tanks, the 50 seaters will find themselves parked in the desert somewhere.

Your sarcasm detector seems to be INOP.

E175 Driver 12-03-2016 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by daOldMan (Post 2254808)
PDT will never get 175s. Why would AAG waste millions of dollars a month on training, maintenance, management, and other costs? AAG is wisely moving flying around based on fleet type to reduce costs and be more efficient. In the end, PSA will fly the CRJs, Envoy will fly the EJets, and PDT will fly the 145's.

Once the fuel prices rise again and the market tanks, the 50 seaters will find themselves parked in the desert somewhere.

They won't waste a damn dollar Just merge PDT with us and there you have it.

idlethrust 12-03-2016 12:30 PM


Originally Posted by daOldMan (Post 2254808)
PDT will never get 175s. Why would AAG waste millions of dollars a month on training, maintenance, management, and other costs? AAG is wisely moving flying around based on fleet type to reduce costs and be more efficient. In the end, PSA will fly the CRJs, Envoy will fly the EJets, and PDT will fly the 145's.

Once the fuel prices rise again and the market tanks, the 50 seaters will find themselves parked in the desert somewhere.

A friend interviewed at PDT recently.They told him the original plan for PDT was 175 s but the faa wouldn't sign off on it .They wanted to see them successfully operate a smaller jet first rather than jumping from the dash to a 76 Seat jet.
They will eventually get 175s as the 145s time out I'm sure

daOldMan 12-03-2016 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by AZFlyer (Post 2254909)
Your sarcasm detector seems to be INOP.

But people are actually believing it and sharing it.

There is no way. PDT will be merged or simply cease to exist long before they ever get 175's.

PiedmontFlyer 12-03-2016 02:41 PM

Piedmont is in an excellent place geographically for AA. When the 145s time out, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see them replaced with 175s.

moon 12-03-2016 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by Virga show (Post 2254825)
Right now it is 6 years at Envoy but with 60 to 70 NH a month and 30 Capt leaving a month that number should drop drastically. We are at the beginning of going from stagnation to steady movement. In 6 months to a year, if it is still 6 years upgrade we are in trouble. Common sense says that's not possible for it to stay 6 years as long as we keep hiring pilots and pilots keep flowing to AA.

2011 has a lotttt of hires. it would be hard to get through them all in 6months. after they are all upgraded though yes upgrade will plummet

Virga show 12-03-2016 06:03 PM


Originally Posted by moon (Post 2255189)
2011 has a lotttt of hires. it would be hard to get through them all in 6months. after they are all upgraded though yes upgrade will plummet

2011 NH= 272
2012 NH= 6
2013 NH= 70
2014 NH= 59
2015 NH= 93
2016 NH= 300 +
2017 NH = 600 + at same hire rate now
2017 AA FLOW 360 to 400


You are correct that is good news. Esp if we get more 175's and open more bases. Also not including any attrition to other legacy or LLC's

unity2010 12-04-2016 07:29 AM


Originally Posted by idlethrust (Post 2255107)
A friend interviewed at PDT recently.They told him the original plan for PDT was 175 s but the faa wouldn't sign off on it .They wanted to see them successfully operate a smaller jet first rather than jumping from the dash to a 76 Seat jet.
They will eventually get 175s as the 145s time out I'm sure

LOL...Keep dreaming..Dallas CEO magazine 12/1/16 said Fábregas, when asked what’s ahead for Envoy. “These 76-seat planes are the future of our regional network.”

MantisToboggan 12-04-2016 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by unity2010 (Post 2255523)
LOL...Keep dreaming..Dallas CEO magazine 12/1/16 said Fábregas, when asked what’s ahead for Envoy. “These 76-seat planes are the future of our regional network.”

Yeah, the 175 is the future for Envoy. Clearly, the only logical conclusion to draw is that no other WO regional will get 76 seat jets

MantisToboggan 12-04-2016 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by daOldMan (Post 2255110)
But people are actually believing it and sharing it.

There is no way. PDT will be merged or simply cease to exist long before they ever get 175's.

daOldMan strikes again!!

Makes total sense to grow a company in a huge way and then shut the doors. blah blah blah

What world do you live in man??


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