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PSA help 12-08-2016 01:49 AM


Originally Posted by GodIsGood (Post 2258290)
Keep in mind that if AAG wants more 175's, they have to give Envoy 90 more before giving any additional 175's to anyone else. That's contractual.

Scope won't allow for 90 new airframes unless they cut more from another carrier. Envoy will likely get more airplanes, but they will be from another carrier.

RawHide 12-08-2016 04:09 AM

At this time scope would alow for ~30-35 more large rjs.

If American exercises any of the 90 options they own they must come to envoy.

It is possible pdt could get planes from republic, but they just signed updated capacity purchase agreements with all 3 major cariers, and they own there own planes.

mojo6911 12-08-2016 04:49 AM

I live in DFW. Would commuting to Piedmont for better schedules and faster upgrade make more sense?

go skers 12-08-2016 05:16 AM


Originally Posted by mojo6911 (Post 2258411)
I live in DFW. Would commuting to Piedmont for better schedules and faster upgrade make more sense?

If you're older in class you could get the E175 and be DFW based from the start. If not wait the 6-9 months it'll take to transfer to DFW on the E145. Drive to work, especially if the alternative is an east coast commute possibly to an outstation that doesn't even have direct flights.

Otterbox 12-08-2016 05:32 AM


Originally Posted by mojo6911 (Post 2258411)
I live in DFW. Would commuting to Piedmont for better schedules and faster upgrade make more sense?

I personally wouldn't commute to a WO regional when you live in the base of another one. Get in line for the flow and apply everywhere else. PDTs flow isn't that much better than envoys (approx 4-5 years vs 6-8 years) to legitimize a commute and QOL hit for that long.

mojo6911 12-08-2016 05:39 AM


Originally Posted by go skers (Post 2258423)
If you're older in class you could get the E175 and be DFW based from the start. If not wait the 6-9 months it'll take to transfer to DFW on the E145. Drive to work, especially if the alternative is an east coast commute possibly to an outstation that doesn't even have direct flights.

I'm 33, so probably have a decent shot at the 175 for envoy. How realistic is their 2.5 year upgrade protection?

MantisToboggan 12-08-2016 06:30 AM


Originally Posted by mojo6911 (Post 2258411)
I live in DFW. Would commuting to Piedmont for better schedules and faster upgrade make more sense?

Depends how much you value a faster flow and immediate upgrade compared to how much you value not having a commute. Some guys don't mind that commute, and would rather take the faster upgrade. Other people want to be home as much as possible and will sacrifice the upgrade time and flow time. Totally depends on your mentality, but I wouldn't say you're going wrong choosing either.

Keep in mind that at PDT your base will be PHL, not an outstation as some have suggested. All the jets are based in Philly

go skers 12-08-2016 06:59 AM


Originally Posted by mojo6911 (Post 2258440)
I'm 33, so probably have a decent shot at the 175 for envoy. How realistic is their 2.5 year upgrade protection?

With 50+ new hires per month materializing and topside attrition continuing the upgrade time is realistic.

Not sure about your current circumstances but if you have zero 121 time it'll take you close to two years anyway to get the required time to upgrade

mojo6911 12-08-2016 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by go skers (Post 2258551)
With 50+ new hires per month materializing and topside attrition continuing the upgrade time is realistic.

Not sure about your current circumstances but if you have zero 121 time it'll take you close to two years anyway to get the required time to upgrade

I only have roughly 200 hours of time that counts towards the PIC requirements, so 800 hours. I should be able to get that in a year and a half, right?

It seems like there's a lot of 4/2 schedules at Envoy, so quality of life seems about the same.

Gman007 12-08-2016 07:14 AM


Originally Posted by Otterbox (Post 2258432)
I personally wouldn't commute to a WO regional when you live in the base of another one. Get in line for the flow and apply everywhere else. PDTs flow isn't that much better than envoys (approx 4-5 years vs 6-8 years) to legitimize a commute and QOL hit for that long.

So Piedmont's flow is faster than Envoy's??


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