Airline Pilot Central Forums

Airline Pilot Central Forums (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/)

- Envoy Airlines (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/envoy-airlines/)

- - Envoy or PDT (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/envoy-airlines/98489-envoy-pdt.html)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedro4President (Post 2261021)

So per the guy a page or two back you have 60 people not flowing by choice. I had recently heard PDT the number was 100 pilots not flowing.

Quick math. 400 pilots flowing at 4 per month then it's an 8 year flow. Ok so you say your pilot group will increase and then flow 5 per month. 400 pilots flowing at five per month avg is a 6+ flow. Not to mention AA doesn't hire in December. So that's another 5-6 months to add to these numbers.

I'm interested in how PDT comes up with their numbers on a fast flow. The only way you accelerate PDTs flow is by increasing the pilot group. This is very much like a pyramid scheme. If you get in while it's a small group then you are golden but once it gets growing there isn't much to be had.

Conservatively, you are correct. 6-8 years would be with no additional growth and 0 attrition outside the flow. Those 2 variables drastically change the flow time, however, and there is no way to accurately predict them. I've heard the proposed pilot size is 1,000 - 1,200 over the next 2 years which would equal a flow of 8-9 a month. Additionally, you will move up generally quickly until you reach about 50% seniority where the attrition of pilots above you tapers off.

My best guess is approximately 5 years for a new guy to flow if our currebt projections continue and we do not experience another 9/11 type of scenario. Of course, as we all know, tge only constant is change so buckle up its gonna be an interesting ride!

Decided to go to PDT. Can't wait to start!

Can you apply to WO Regionals at the same time, i.e. PDT and ENY? Is it frowned upon?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icaruss (Post 2264485)

Can you apply to WO Regionals at the same time, i.e. PDT and ENY? Is it frowned upon?

Nobody cares. Apply, and interview wherever you desire and choose the one you liked most. My only recommendation is if you do not intend on attending a class or interview, it is professional courtesy to let them know.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gman007 (Post 2264476)

Decided to go to PDT. Can't wait to start!

Welcome aboard! I think you will like it here

AA has new hires classes in all 12 months. Two per month except November has three and December one(avoids the holidays).

Lastest word is 33 per class, twice a month.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gman007 (Post 2264476)

Decided to go to PDT. Can't wait to start!

Why did you choose PDT over ENY? I am curious what the deciding factors were.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sliceback (Post 2264555)

AA has new hires classes in all 12 months. Two per month except November has three and December one(avoids the holidays).

Lastest word is 33 per class, twice a month.

I don't think there was a December class at AA.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jersdawg (Post 2264560)

Why did you choose PDT over ENY? I am curious what the deciding factors were.

Maybe he likes PHL, small jets and T-props.

Pedro hit the nail on the head. Basing your flow projections on a hypothetical, and still far from attainable, pilot group size is misleading. The projections are only favorable when you assume many others will take the same bait.

Coincidentally, that sentence could be talking about pyramid schemes or Piedmont's flow.