I will let someone from PDT answer the question on pay. I am not sure how you can collect premium pay at the other WO and still get 12 days off. Someone else will have to answer that.

But, I have friends that are at ULCC's that started about the same time as me and I am at a WO. I make about the same as them. They make a little more in some cases. But my flight benefits are much, much better. I am able to travel with my wife and sons whenever I want. My parents use the benefits all of the time, and have been traveling to all of the places that they would not have been able to go to before. That would not be possible at Spirit, Allegiant, or even JetBlue.

Even if I was making JetBlue Captain pay, I would not have been able to afford all of the travel that we have been able to do in the last 3 years. We have used flight benefits (either myself and wife/kids, or my parents) to Tokyo, Spain, Scotland/UK, Ireland, Germany, Austria, Hawaii, Italy, and about 15 states in the US. Most all international trips were business class or better. My wife, 3 boys, and myself going to London first class both ways on the 777 would have cost thousands of dollars.

If the cash is more valuable to you, then go to an ULCC. To me, it isn't worth the extra few dollars.

As a former Eagle Guy I can say that the travel benefits were awesome but the pay was dismal back in the 90's. Upgrade was projected at 6 months (in class) but wound up being 7-8 years. Many of us left. The ones that stayed flowed after 15-20 years.

Training was excellent.

Faster upgrade, 300% premium pay that is actually possible to obtain. I also like the fact that it is a smaller airline. And you get a nice jacket!!!

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A new Envoy pilot reports to the couch to play Xbox. When payday comes they check their bank account and see min pay with no per diem. They say to themselves "don't worry bro you fly an e-jet".

A new Piedmont pilot reports to work and flys his sweet 85 hour line with 14 days off. He gets off work feeling accomplished and goes to the bar with his bros. They buy extra rounds because they have 99 problems but RESERVE is not one.

I could effectively say that reserve at Envoy is 1 month. We had an September new hire hold a line in ORD for December. That may not hold right now but reserve times are dropping exponentially here. That one month reserve is going to be the rule rather than the exception here very soon.

Plus, you think your life might be great at PDT. Come back and talk to me in 10 years when you are about to flow. A new hire Envoy pilot will flow in half that time. Big difference.

I didn't twist a gd thing. I simply mentioned what you omitted: today's reality, as opposed to your promises of shiny unicorns in the future.

To be honest, I hope you're right. But HOPE is not a plan for the future and a new hire needs to be very cognizant of the company's dismal past, and present, in regards to contract compliance.

Umm, care to share the math you used to come up with that?

Both flows are projections, and there is math out there that supports each one. Feel free to share the methodology you have used to refute PDT's claim of a 5 year flow.

Because your lines are so terrible. Your pilots literally bypass lines to stay on reserve, that is how bad they are. Cuj, you honestly do more harm for your "cause" than good when you post. You are trying so hard that you literally come on here spouting half truths and best case scenario projections. Your own Envoy pilots don't even ever stick up for you.

Is Piedmont the only WO that gets the leather jacket?

No leather jacket man. Sorry. I'm tempted to wear the one I have.... just a black generic leather pilot jacket. But I've been told they are pretty strict with the uniform policy here.