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Smutter 12-21-2016 10:42 AM


Originally Posted by cr700 (Post 2266954)
The flow is not "worthless." It's contractual. It has a value and a very high one at that. The Envoy hate on here is ridiculous. It's generated only by a few malcontents who are very aggressive in their posts. I've got to say that they are VERY dedicated to their cause. I'll give them that.

And you're a dedicated salesman(at a used car lot). There's only a few of us on here because everyone else is on eaglelounge b!tching even more. If you were ever on the line then you would hear it's even worse than what we say on here.

ORDinary 12-21-2016 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by cr700 (Post 2266954)
The flow is not "worthless." It's contractual. It has a value and a very high one at that. The Envoy hate on here is ridiculous. It's generated only by a few malcontents who are very aggressive in their posts. I've got to say that they are VERY dedicated to their cause. I'll give them that.

Our contract is worthless. Management's hate of its own employees is ridiculous.

Smutter 12-21-2016 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by Jersdawg (Post 2266977)
I was referring to your 25% staffing reduction next year claim, along with furloughs and APA giving away the farm on scope.

AA pilots will get beat on scope, they have the worst contract of the big 4. Usairways can care less about pilot morale. No strike will ever be granted and usairways knows that. If they want gains they'll have to cave on scope. Also AA is getting eagle pilots now in 5 years probably 2000 pilots that's 2000 yes votes, we've already seen our guys have no back bone when it comes to contracts (16 yr. Contract, voted to give up our aircraft, before bankruptcy, and that was not tied to flow, concessions after bankruptcy). While I do want to fly for AA, is because of base, AA will be the worst contract for a long time, look how long usairways has a bad contract

Smutter 12-21-2016 10:57 AM

Envoy management disregards its employees better then any other company (Jo is jealous) they actually hate us. They will stop flow anytime they feel they need to. 824, yep, why do we have that special number. You say if they do stop the flow new hires will dry up, no they won't, they'll offer them the 175, and another $10,000.

Smutter 12-21-2016 10:59 AM

Cr700, we get it, you're an intern be directed by dic to say only good things about envoy, but in the end you're still a scumbag liar.

criticalaoa 12-21-2016 11:26 AM


Originally Posted by Smutter (Post 2266996)
Cr700, we get it, you're an intern be directed by dic to say only good things about envoy, but in the end you're still a scumbag liar.

I understand that some pilot are upset about the way the company has been treating them for some time but what good does insults do? We know there are things that can be better but something I learned a long time ago is that if you sit in the side lines and just complaint and do nothing then your are not helping no one, not even your self. Instead of making this threat about insulting people how about we help each other out. Lets have some respect for one another.

moon 12-21-2016 11:30 AM

Everybody, welcome to the Smutter rant forum.

Smutter 12-21-2016 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by moon (Post 2267017)
Everybody, welcome to the Smutter rant forum.

One more rant.
The Union email just sent out, states how bad our lines are.

LGA 145, avg days off 13 credit 78
ORD 145 days off 13 credit 71
DFW 145 days off 13 credit 78
Crj days off 12.9 credit 76
175 12.7 days off 77 credit

Crj has 5 lines with pure weekends off
ORD 145 has 13
LGA 145 has 1
DFW 145 has 15

FlameNSky 12-21-2016 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by Policepilot (Post 2266647)
... so I left the industry and went back to being a cop full time.

Hey if I were selling an illegal substance to a stranger and I ask him if he is a cop, if he is, he has to tell me right? Um, I'm asking for a friend.

buddies8 12-21-2016 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by criticalaoa (Post 2267013)
I understand that some pilot are upset about the way the company has been treating them for some time but what good does insults do? We know there are things that can be better but something I learned a long time ago is that if you sit in the side lines and just complaint and do nothing then your are not helping no one, not even your self. Instead of making this threat about insulting people how about we help each other out. Lets have some respect for one another.

Well unfortunately a fact is a fact. I know in the liberal world a fact is only what they say but a company stooge, greasy hair used car salsman
That stretches the truth to extreme is just that.

If you want respect at the cost of honesty well you are out of luck.


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