Envoy
10-09-2022, 09:06 AM
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Flow metered starting Jan 2023. In emails. Mgmt has gotten complacent and fat off DECs
Meanwhile all the guys I went to flight school with who went to OO are posting selfies with their AA CJOs in envelopes
Meanwhile all the guys I went to flight school with who went to OO are posting selfies with their AA CJOs in envelopes
10-09-2022, 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by NoValueAviator
Flow metered starting Jan 2023. In emails. Mgmt has gotten complacent and fat off DECs
Meanwhile all the guys I went to flight school with who went to OO are posting selfies with their AA CJOs in envelopes
Meanwhile all the guys I went to flight school with who went to OO are posting selfies with their AA CJOs in envelopes
10-09-2022, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by frieswiththat
No I don't think so. Envoy has a good business plan and they are all in for the long term. Just look at the fact they are hiring a bunch of older guys with previous 121 experience that they know will stick around until they either retire or flow. They have the backing of AA and a savvy CEO that is tied to AA so they are not going anywhere. Market dyamics right now, nobody really knows but I think anyone going to Envoy right now should be in a good place.
While some of the DECs currently being hired may want to be lifers, I think a significant number will bail before two years. Since Envoy has also chosen to basically shut off any cadets and non DEC hiring, many of those are choosing to go elsewhere. There’s going to come a time again in the near future where Envoy doesn’t have captains AND no FOs to upgrade.
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10-09-2022, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by frieswiththat
No I don't think so. Envoy has a good business plan and they are all in for the long term. Just look at the fact they are hiring a bunch of older guys with previous 121 experience that they know will stick around until they either retire or flow. They have the backing of AA and a savvy CEO that is tied to AA so they are not going anywhere. Market dyamics right now, nobody really knows but I think anyone going to Envoy right now should be in a good place.
Our union touted enhancements, well let’s look at them
Pay-temporary while most competitors got permanent
long call- 2 lines, which means none
trip/duty rigs- start in January while PDT had min day start in June
flow - 8-9 years, which is worthless
CS absuses us, our union has no backbone, blatant contract violations galore with no repercussion.
why would anyone come to envoy?
10-09-2022, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ClappedOut145
We shall see. This has been a long time coming and every pilot has benefited.
Whatever time to flow you thought you had before today, multiply that by 1.2. That’s a pretty significant difference even if you’re kinda close.
10-09-2022, 12:53 PM
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"You must be a troll. There is no reason, at all, to come to Envoy" * Frontier* JetBlue* Southwest* who have the exact same type of work rules.
So if you went to Envoy strictly for the flow and not the big picture, that's on you.
So if you went to Envoy strictly for the flow and not the big picture, that's on you.
10-09-2022, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by frieswiththat
"You must be a troll. There is no reason, at all, to come to Envoy" * Frontier* JetBlue* Southwest* who have the exact same type of work rules.
So if you went to Envoy strictly for the flow and not the big picture, that's on you.
So if you went to Envoy strictly for the flow and not the big picture, that's on you.
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