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Old 09-22-2022, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by 04stangman View Post
I'm thankful for all the feedback. So those of you with a lot more knowledge and experience than myself what would you do in my shoes? Applied to another airline and try and get scooped up or just wait this out?
TBH, I’d definitely be exploring other options. It honestly sounds like Envoy has put all non, DECs in a holding pattern with no EFC. If you really want that 121 time, look elsewhere. The clock is ticking. But ultimately comes down to what works for YOU.
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Old 09-23-2022, 02:12 PM
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Does anyone know if it looks like PHX will be a senior or junior base yet?
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Old 09-23-2022, 03:09 PM
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Old 09-23-2022, 04:09 PM
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Does anyone know if it looks like PHX will be a senior or junior base yet?
PHX doesn't exist yet
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Old 09-23-2022, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ordflyr View Post
Does anyone know if it looks like PHX will be a senior or junior base yet?
It’s going to be pretty small, especially initially, and no word when that will even be. Initial flying won’t even be based there, just through flying, likely from DFW.

Quite a few Left coast at Envoy so expect it to be senior.

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Old 09-24-2022, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by 04stangman View Post
I'm thankful for all the feedback. So those of you with a lot more knowledge and experience than myself what would you do in my shoes? Applied to another airline and try and get scooped up or just wait this out?
Honestly, just pick a regional with a base where you live, or near you where you can drive to easily, or one you can easily commute to with one leg. Commuting sucks, and you can make more money living in or near base by picking up trips.

Several regionals are starting FO’s at $90/hr, so you’ll be making good money, finally. Choose one of those.
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Old 09-24-2022, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyboy68 View Post

Several regionals are starting FO’s at $90/hr, so you’ll be making good money, finally. Choose one of those.
"Good money" should be a Legacy FO starting at $215 / hour. Especially since we have regional CA making that much now...

Getting $90 an hour is finally in the realm of REASONABLY ACCEPTABLE pay for an FO in this profession (any ATP turbojet position).

Let's all stop selling ourselves short!!!
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Old 09-24-2022, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyingSlowly View Post
"Good money" should be a Legacy FO starting at $215 / hour. Especially since we have regional CA making that much now...

Getting $90 an hour is finally in the realm of REASONABLY ACCEPTABLE pay for an FO in this profession (any ATP turbojet position).

Let's all stop selling ourselves short!!!
Not selling anyone short, but even majors are not going to get starting pay to much over low $100s to start. That $215 an hour is the 20 year rate. Those at WOs who get it before then will see it VERY briefly before flow, or because qualified as an LCA.

Yes, it’s good to see wages finally come up, but if the majors don’t secure rates soon, that chance will slip away. As it is, all these rates are likely to be given back, at least partially, as the economy continues to implode.
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Old 09-24-2022, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude View Post
Not selling anyone short, but even majors are not going to get starting pay to much over low $100s to start. That $215 an hour is the 20 year rate. Those at WOs who get it before then will see it VERY briefly before flow, or because qualified as an LCA.

Yes, it’s good to see wages finally come up, but if the majors don’t secure rates soon, that chance will slip away. As it is, all these rates are likely to be given back, at least partially, as the economy continues to implode.
You need to factor in the massive retirements every year throughout the decade. We have never seen that before. It will continue to driven shortages, even as the economy continues to implode.
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Old 09-24-2022, 09:17 PM
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We call it "getting envoyed" here.
builds character tho
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