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Envoy will definitely be smaller. They may be able to replace some of the 145s, but likely not all. And that doesn’t take into account the 140/145s that have already been parked or transferred.
Getting rid of the 145s will make the operation a little more efficient, but losing overall hours and lines is rarely a good thing.
Getting rid of the 145s will make the operation a little more efficient, but losing overall hours and lines is rarely a good thing.
Now that hopefully we have reduced the pilot departures to BlueIt and Frontier, we can perhaps have enough new hires to exceed the outflow to AA and other mainlines. We could grow again and hopefully get back some CRJ700/900 routes we had to give up due to staffing.
Has ALPA released July numbers for hires vs departures yet?
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I still maintain there is not a replacement for the 145. I don’t see Envoy getting as many 170s as they had 145s. There were a limited number of 170s made. Those 170s that become available may come CLOSE to replacing all the 145s Envoy has (had), but that won’t leave anything to replace Piedmont’s 145s with and then there are quite a few still being flown in the United system. Bottom line, there is no scope compliant replacement for 145s that is being manufactured.
CRJ7s replace 145s, E-Jets replace CRJ7s, mainline replaces E-Jets, everyone wins.
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And my point stands that there are no viable options for a 50 seat aircraft. The CRJ-550 is an aircraft put in very niche routes that can command the premium seats with a slightly increased frequency and lower capacity to make them economically viable. Though curious to see how that is works out with current oil prices.
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This assumes envoy needs a replacement for the 145 though. Why doesn’t American serve the routes envoy does? Because mainline jets would prove to be not profitable so they have a regional that has smaller jets serve those route. American is simply moving around their assets so Piedmont takes the 145s and will likely gain routes the 145 serves while envoy gains more 170/175 and will lose markets and routes once served by the 145 but may gain more markets the 170 can serve. In my mind it makes the operations more efficient with each airline focusing and operating a single line of equipment.
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A lot of Piedmonts shorter routes are being replaced by bus service. As far as a 145 replacement, Piedmont management is very excited about embraer’s next gen prop. Mitsubishi has also expressed interest in restarting the CRJ line to produce 550s but the jury is still out on those (Kirby loves them for first class revenue but wants scope relief to fly them full on bad weather days). Either could be a viable replacement, but would require significant cap ex by AA. Every place I’ve flown in with a 145 could support a 175 or a 900 with the repainting of some lines and different GSE, so much will be scope vs demand driven. The 145s could probably be limped along for another 10 years if AA wanted to pay for more maintenance on them.
Isom just made the cost of RJ lift unpalatable to United and Delta so it’ll be interesting to see what AA decides their cheapest option overall will be. RJ lift is extremely important to AAs flight revenue, so they’ll have to do something.
Isom just made the cost of RJ lift unpalatable to United and Delta so it’ll be interesting to see what AA decides their cheapest option overall will be. RJ lift is extremely important to AAs flight revenue, so they’ll have to do something.
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I don’t think I’ve met a phx commuter. I met a few that were from there that moved to DFW though. Met quite a few So Cal commuters, both pilots and FAs that came here expecting an LA base a few years ago. I guess this is better than nothing for them. lol.
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