pitchattitude

I’ll give you that it was only a partial troll. But those 15 planes are not a “new aircraft order” as 170s aren’t still being built. Give the number, as someone else said, likely Hop Air, as they are listed as having exactly 15.

pitchattitude

It just goes to show how little notice managers are given of these announcements.

Pretty sure RW would have waited a few days for his “Airline Update” email if he would have known Thursday that this information would be announced as it kind of makes it look like he doesn’t know what’s going on.

TXMike

51 - 145s
108 - 170/175s

15 - 170s coming
3 - new 175s coming

TXMike

Now that's a funny troll.
A retired FA friend said she would come back for short leg saab flights..

chihuahua

https://piedmont-airlines.com/2022/0...-to-the-fleet/

I guess this will take out a good chunk of 145s from Envoy.

TransWorld

Planespotters lists 49 of the 145s with Envoy. So, 15 transferred over to Piedmont would be about 1/3 of those with Envoy.

pitchattitude

RW’s Airline update indicates 41 145s in September and 35 in December although it does not indicate any of the new (to Envoy) 170s. Those 145s might start transferring to PDT in November and getting the 170s but the process of bringing used planes onto the certificate takes a while. They will need paint, probably interior and all the things to make them “Envoy’s planes” as well as conformance done. Usually even with the new 175s they haven’t been able to do more than a couple or three a month. PDT should be able to take the 145s faster but they are one third the size of Envoy. Those 15 aircraft represent a much larger percentage of what they can do, both with respect to maintenance and pilot and FA training to staff them.

During that time frame the 145 lines are projected to go from 138 in September to 59 in December. Most of that is the Dallas reduction but some of it is in ORD which is likely just seasonal fluctuations. DFW will be down to a handful of 145 lines in December, although the official “closing” of the 145 base hasn’t been announced. There will probably be more indications of what’s going on by the end of September bid.

pitchattitude

I still maintain there is not a replacement for the 145. I don’t see Envoy getting as many 170s as they had 145s. There were a limited number of 170s made. Those 170s that become available may come CLOSE to replacing all the 145s Envoy has (had), but that won’t leave anything to replace Piedmont’s 145s with and then there are quite a few still being flown in the United system. Bottom line, there is no scope compliant replacement for 145s that is being manufactured.

highfarfast

Yeah, it looks like Piedmont is getting bigger and Envoy is getting smaller to me.

pitchattitude

Envoy will definitely be smaller. They may be able to replace some of the 145s, but likely not all. And that doesn’t take into account the 140/145s that have already been parked or transferred.

Getting rid of the 145s will make the operation a little more efficient, but losing overall hours and lines is rarely a good thing.