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11-25-2018, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
Swapping every 50 seater to a 75 seater will not fix the looming pilot shortage. There will be a huge movement from regionals to mainline between 2021 and 2027.
One a220/e190e2 for two 75 seaters and the pilot shortage is over for a while.
11-25-2018, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by BigZ
Two 175s need 20 pilots and fly as many people as three 145s with 30 pilots.
One a220/e190e2 for two 75 seaters and the pilot shortage is over for a while.
One a220/e190e2 for two 75 seaters and the pilot shortage is over for a while.
11-26-2018, 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by dera
I know this is not a popular opinion here, but I'm betting the flow time will drop dramatically.
I'm gonna bet a beer on this - there will be 3 year flows within the next 5 years.
I'm gonna bet a beer on this - there will be 3 year flows within the next 5 years.
My guess is scope will change or mainline will have to incentivize their wholly owns to attract more people. Either way, they can't not have a fix for it. Another guess, they already know the answer, but are waiting until the very last minute to proceed due to costs.
11-26-2018, 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by dera
Yep. That's why mainline scope is a huge deal for regional pilots.
11-26-2018, 06:28 AM
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I think the end game is the regionals are rolled into mainline with a permanent regional pay B scale, alternate contract that enables abuse, etc., etc. It isn't efficient keeping largely redundant management on the payroll for 4 different airlines when you are really only running one.
It will take a bad market environment to trigger this transition, but the unions don't have the teeth to stop something like this even now.
It will take a bad market environment to trigger this transition, but the unions don't have the teeth to stop something like this even now.
11-26-2018, 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by NoValueAviator
I think the end game is the regionals are rolled into mainline with a permanent regional pay B scale, alternate contract that enables abuse, etc., etc. It isn't efficient keeping largely redundant management on the payroll for 4 different airlines when you are really only running one.
It will take a bad market environment to trigger this transition, but the unions don't have the teeth to stop something like this even now.
It will take a bad market environment to trigger this transition, but the unions don't have the teeth to stop something like this even now.
11-26-2018, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Pedro4President
Just noticed the new union interactive seniority list has been updated. A huge thanks for those that input all that data. While I was going through it on my iPad I noticed my flow date moved up seven months since the latest LOA settlement. Anyone find anyone with a sub five year flow date?
11-26-2018, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Vne469
Where does the # of hard lines come from on the interactive senority list? Ric Wilsons email said way less hard lines for LGA than what the excel list says.
11-26-2018, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Cyio
Thankfully at AA, at least in my limited control group of pilots, they are dead set on not increasing scope, which is fabulous for regional folks.
11-26-2018, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
Former Eagle MEC members are on the scope committee. There will be no relaxation of scope.
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