maybe, maybe not!:)

No Maybes about it. We will still think of you as the 175 douche.

Were any of these direct entry captain slots?

I don’t think any are technically DEC, but you can bet the 11 prior 121 will have CA slots when the next bid comes out.

Let em have em as long as they are safe and up to standards. Just more below when I finally upgrade.

How long for the OT trips next month to get processed from this last window?

The "High Value Aviator" program is just an end around to street captains. It's been alluded to that new hires are going to 30 per class max and all high value aviators.

The OT from the RF window is already processed.

Someone said 30 max in the class with at least 12 prior 121 with a minimum of something like 800 hours. This class was close. Will be interesting to see if they can sustain that.

Interesting the 145s were not “choice of ORD or LGA”

Any idea the break down on what the prior 121s took?

Seven took 175, one CRJ, three 145

It's crazy how much they are building up LGA.

It's crazy how much they are beeefing up the staffing in general. From a rough count today from the N6D 50 to 70 FOs on the reserve list between DFW 175, ORD 145, LGA 145 and DFW 145.

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I know we're talking about hiring is getting "metered" to 30 per class but that's still 720 pilots a year.

My guess is that it is a psychological recruiting tool. The big win is that it keeps flow under 10 years, if we exceed 10 years people will see it as obsolete. But 7 or 9, that is still sellable.

Almost like they’re prepping for another crew base...

My thoughts exactly. Anyone looked at flow/another airline/ retirement numbers on the captains side comparing that to vacancy bid numbers to see how it balances out.

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Did the other three CRJ’s go to the youngest in class? If so do we know what there ages were?

Looking at the interactive seniority list, mandatory retirements aren’t really that big of a factor for attrition at least for the next two years when I scrolled through the list.

Not this time. Five LGA 145 went junior to CRJ

I needed a good laugh to start my morning. I haven't been all that into the forums until just recently and I find myself really looking forward to this guy's words of wisdom.

Was ORD 145 offered yesterday?

Why on earth would 9 years be sellable? Maybe it'll be sellable to those that aren't good enough to get into a major or are simply too lazy to update their apps but I'd imagine that most people don't feel like sitting at a regional (especially one like Envoy) for a decade.

Agreed. I’d say for 9 out of 10 guys that nine years isn’t sellable at all. At least not with our current pay, contract and QOL issues. 9 years is a long time to suffer without any improvements around here.

Thanks for the info!

Yeah 9 doesn’t work for me that’s for sure. 6-7 was bare able. This is assuming that nothing changes. If QOL and pay go up then perhaps longer but as it stands I am out as soon as I can be.

Republic just passed their TA. The thing wasn't perfect but they certainly are much more competitive than envoy. And they are in all the same domiciles as envoy except DFW. We'll see but I think hiring will start to feel the pinch soon

Envoys primary recruitment is from non-degree pilots, which is apparent from the Cadet program. If you are a 22-26 year old with no degree, under 10 years is within their margins.

Not to say they are all non-degree, plenty of us have them. But our Cadet schools are a wide variety, and not selective to 4-year programs...which there are far fewer.

Haters gonna hate..hate..:D

We NEED to update our reserve system. Please push this in your upcoming union crew room meet and greets.

I know people on the forum are aware, but it’s not going to happen unless everyone is pushing for it. The horrid reserve system will affect EVERYONE here at some point within two years or less of being on property, so everyone should care!!! Let’s get the best reserve system in the industry.

Listen, we have all sat reserve at some point (for the most part). Some of us for 3+ years without wonderful bonuses/pay and commuter hotels and all the other benefits available to new hires now. While the reserve system does in fact need an overhaul/improvement, the forefront of our concerns should be pay.

Reserve is temporary. At some point our reserve pilots will become line holders. That is a fact. And given AA hiring forecasts from here on out (hard to tell to the extent of metering), reserve time should not be long for either seats... Unless you were one of those high value aviators who will be at the bottom for quite awhile... I don't feel bad for those guys. They came here knowing what to expect and if they read anything on here they were given a more than fair warning.

Yep. Totally agree

There are things that can absolutely be improved. Pre-assigned RAP-1, airport standby etc. We can do this better. Why can't there be another window after ATTOT that allows reserve pilots to snag open time rather than waiting for a call? I don't want to upgrade right away strictly because of our reserve system, that is why I am doing everything I can not to fly.

Wonder if AA will go for this. Skywest has a few on order for Delta Connection.


https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...175-sc-441489/

Just remember, there are some pilots that sat reserve 4+ years as FOs, finally upgraded, and will now sit reserve for the foreseeable future.

It is true that the contract in the whole is woefully inadequate. Lot's of improvements are needed. Pay. Schedules. Trip/duty rigs and 5:15 pay minimum per calendar day. Restored vacation. And the flow needs to be honored.

In the meantime, keep updating your applications and try to obtain better employment.

Just to qoute from the other forum...

This shows how broke our reserve system and pilot contract truly is...

Flow=Fake News

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I agree.

I tried nearly ten times to pick up OT last month and I was unsuccessful every time.

On reserve days there was either nothing open to proffer for or I was too junior to get it. On the other hand, I was senior enough to not be called.

The reserve system could definitely be improved. Even if pilots are not expected to sit on reserve for long before holding a line, reserve is an important issue for prospective hires.

Spoke to a buddy from skywest yesterday. He said a DFW base was in the works.

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They've been talking about that over there for about a year now. I'll believe it when I see it.

More Likely DAL that DFW. Heard during a pitch from a Skywest recruiter. Something to do with Skywest's routes for Alaska, which owns Virgin, which has gates at DAL.