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05-09-2017 | 10:14 AM
#2811
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From: 75/76 left seat
05-09-2017 | 12:13 PM
#2815
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It's been only a couple of months so far. That of course could change and I imagine things will slow down once the 40th jet is delivered. 175 is only in DFW at the moment. Nothing official yet, but plan on it eventually showing up at other bases at some point in the future. I'd say that seeing it in ORD at some point is a safe bet. In a perfect world, AAG would like Envoy to be the 175 operator in MIA instead of RAH, but I think that's way low on their list of priorities and years away from being a reality. As far as the MCO commute goes, I know a couple of guys that commute MCO-DFW. They say it's not too bad, but it gets interesting during the summers with so many families going to see the mouse. Also keep in mind, that the 175 tends to go very senior in the new hire classes, where seniority is based on age. Most guys that get it are at least in their 40s. We had one class awhile back that it went as young as early 30s, but if you're under 40 your chances aren't great at getting it. The last few classes have also been hit or miss for the 175. Some have had 10+, some have had 1, this week was 0. It's up and down. So if you're absolutely above flying the 145, it'd be a big gamble leaving RAH and rolling the dice at Envoy.
05-09-2017 | 03:51 PM
#2817
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From: E145 FO
Living the Dream
After reading all 282 pages today I have a few questions I hope some of the more senior pilots can answer.
Quick back ground, 3 years of 135, still under contract till Nov but will have 3500TT when complete. 2300 of is PIC turboprop time. Looking to move towards RDU and commute to LGA. (19 Round trips a day which 10+ are on Envoy aircraft)figured I had a pretty good chance of getting up there.
1. Since the 824 group is all in the pool now does any one have a hard number on the flow through time wise? Reading the notes on the meeting on the 28 it sounds like Envoy is going to pull back on letting pilots move on to AA.
2. Captain upgrades? I read about the good an the bad an it seem they are having a hard time staffing captians due to QOL issues. If your a year 2 FO an upgrade do you move down to a year 1 CA pay or remain at you year in service at year 2?
3.Insurance for a family, what the cost montly for me an my wife? Looking for a monthly cost and is it worth it?
4. Family flight benfits, how good is it and does it cover across the board with any AAG flight(PDT,PSA etc) or only on Envoy/AA?
Quick back ground, 3 years of 135, still under contract till Nov but will have 3500TT when complete. 2300 of is PIC turboprop time. Looking to move towards RDU and commute to LGA. (19 Round trips a day which 10+ are on Envoy aircraft)figured I had a pretty good chance of getting up there.
1. Since the 824 group is all in the pool now does any one have a hard number on the flow through time wise? Reading the notes on the meeting on the 28 it sounds like Envoy is going to pull back on letting pilots move on to AA.
2. Captain upgrades? I read about the good an the bad an it seem they are having a hard time staffing captians due to QOL issues. If your a year 2 FO an upgrade do you move down to a year 1 CA pay or remain at you year in service at year 2?
3.Insurance for a family, what the cost montly for me an my wife? Looking for a monthly cost and is it worth it?
4. Family flight benfits, how good is it and does it cover across the board with any AAG flight(PDT,PSA etc) or only on Envoy/AA?
05-09-2017 | 04:11 PM
#2818
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After reading all 282 pages today I have a few questions I hope some of the more senior pilots can answer.
Quick back ground, 3 years of 135, still under contract till Nov but will have 3500TT when complete. 2300 of is PIC turboprop time. Looking to move towards RDU and commute to LGA. (19 Round trips a day which 10+ are on Envoy aircraft)figured I had a pretty good chance of getting up there.
1. Since the 824 group is all in the pool now does any one have a hard number on the flow through time wise? Reading the notes on the meeting on the 28 it sounds like Envoy is going to pull back on letting pilots move on to AA. They're not going to flow any more or any less than they have to. For the PP group, it's 50% of AA classes but the company can meter that to 25 per month. So expect the lesser of 25 per month or 50%. And it sounds like due to small new hire numbers planned at AA this summer, 50% may be the lesser of the two. I honestly don't know what timeframe a new hire is projected to flow at right now. Company salesmen will try to say 5ish years, but there's no way it'd be that fast.
2. Captain upgrades? I read about the good an the bad an it seem they are having a hard time staffing captians due to QOL issues. If your a year 2 FO an upgrade do you move down to a year 1 CA pay or remain at you year in service at year 2? There are 1900ish pilots on the seniority list. There are a total of 92 FOs on the entire list that have bypassed the upgrade for a variety of reasons. Not as many as some would think. Obviously you're going to have better schedules and QOL as a senior FO than a junior RSV Captain. With the FO retention bonuses and 200% OT pay, some FOs don't have as much financial incentive to upgrade and go back to RSV as they used to. They aren't having a hard time staffing CAs, there will always be someone who will take the upgrade. But there is a big training back log that they're trying to catch up on due to the big movement.
3.Insurance for a family, what the cost montly for me an my wife? Looking for a monthly cost and is it worth it? For 2017, you would've had 3 choices varying in coverage. The cheapest option is $194/month the mid range is $247/month, and the best is $356/month. The big kicker though, the company sprung this new "spousal surcharge" nonsense this year. Basically, if you're wife works and has available coverage through her employer and she decides to go on your insurance, then the company adds a charge of $100/mont on top. Yes it's absolutely ridiculous. The union is fighting it, but I'm not hopeful.
4. Family flight benfits, how good is it and does it cover across the board with any AAG flight(PDT,PSA etc) or only on Envoy/AA? The flight benefits here and at PDT and PSA are by far the best at the regional level. Yes they cover any AA flights and they are identical to the flight benefits that AA pilots have. To make a long story short, we have the same priority as AA pilots.
Quick back ground, 3 years of 135, still under contract till Nov but will have 3500TT when complete. 2300 of is PIC turboprop time. Looking to move towards RDU and commute to LGA. (19 Round trips a day which 10+ are on Envoy aircraft)figured I had a pretty good chance of getting up there.
1. Since the 824 group is all in the pool now does any one have a hard number on the flow through time wise? Reading the notes on the meeting on the 28 it sounds like Envoy is going to pull back on letting pilots move on to AA. They're not going to flow any more or any less than they have to. For the PP group, it's 50% of AA classes but the company can meter that to 25 per month. So expect the lesser of 25 per month or 50%. And it sounds like due to small new hire numbers planned at AA this summer, 50% may be the lesser of the two. I honestly don't know what timeframe a new hire is projected to flow at right now. Company salesmen will try to say 5ish years, but there's no way it'd be that fast.
2. Captain upgrades? I read about the good an the bad an it seem they are having a hard time staffing captians due to QOL issues. If your a year 2 FO an upgrade do you move down to a year 1 CA pay or remain at you year in service at year 2? There are 1900ish pilots on the seniority list. There are a total of 92 FOs on the entire list that have bypassed the upgrade for a variety of reasons. Not as many as some would think. Obviously you're going to have better schedules and QOL as a senior FO than a junior RSV Captain. With the FO retention bonuses and 200% OT pay, some FOs don't have as much financial incentive to upgrade and go back to RSV as they used to. They aren't having a hard time staffing CAs, there will always be someone who will take the upgrade. But there is a big training back log that they're trying to catch up on due to the big movement.
3.Insurance for a family, what the cost montly for me an my wife? Looking for a monthly cost and is it worth it? For 2017, you would've had 3 choices varying in coverage. The cheapest option is $194/month the mid range is $247/month, and the best is $356/month. The big kicker though, the company sprung this new "spousal surcharge" nonsense this year. Basically, if you're wife works and has available coverage through her employer and she decides to go on your insurance, then the company adds a charge of $100/mont on top. Yes it's absolutely ridiculous. The union is fighting it, but I'm not hopeful.
4. Family flight benfits, how good is it and does it cover across the board with any AAG flight(PDT,PSA etc) or only on Envoy/AA? The flight benefits here and at PDT and PSA are by far the best at the regional level. Yes they cover any AA flights and they are identical to the flight benefits that AA pilots have. To make a long story short, we have the same priority as AA pilots.
05-09-2017 | 04:18 PM
#2819
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Joined: Jul 2007
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From: Errplanes
After reading all 282 pages today I have a few questions I hope some of the more senior pilots can answer.
Quick back ground, 3 years of 135, still under contract till Nov but will have 3500TT when complete. 2300 of is PIC turboprop time. Looking to move towards RDU and commute to LGA. (19 Round trips a day which 10+ are on Envoy aircraft)figured I had a pretty good chance of getting up there.
1. Since the 824 group is all in the pool now does any one have a hard number on the flow through time wise? Reading the notes on the meeting on the 28 it sounds like Envoy is going to pull back on letting pilots move on to AA.
2. Captain upgrades? I read about the good an the bad an it seem they are having a hard time staffing captians due to QOL issues. If your a year 2 FO an upgrade do you move down to a year 1 CA pay or remain at you year in service at year 2?
3.Insurance for a family, what the cost montly for me an my wife? Looking for a monthly cost and is it worth it?
4. Family flight benfits, how good is it and does it cover across the board with any AAG flight(PDT,PSA etc) or only on Envoy/AA?
Quick back ground, 3 years of 135, still under contract till Nov but will have 3500TT when complete. 2300 of is PIC turboprop time. Looking to move towards RDU and commute to LGA. (19 Round trips a day which 10+ are on Envoy aircraft)figured I had a pretty good chance of getting up there.
1. Since the 824 group is all in the pool now does any one have a hard number on the flow through time wise? Reading the notes on the meeting on the 28 it sounds like Envoy is going to pull back on letting pilots move on to AA.
2. Captain upgrades? I read about the good an the bad an it seem they are having a hard time staffing captians due to QOL issues. If your a year 2 FO an upgrade do you move down to a year 1 CA pay or remain at you year in service at year 2?
3.Insurance for a family, what the cost montly for me an my wife? Looking for a monthly cost and is it worth it?
4. Family flight benfits, how good is it and does it cover across the board with any AAG flight(PDT,PSA etc) or only on Envoy/AA?
2. Upgrade times have dropped drastically. Most junior AWARDED captain is about 2 years, but ACTUAL captain is about 6 years. You get captain pay once you have actually upgraded. Let's call it about 3 years. They aren't having trouble "staffing" it, but there are a large number of FO's bypassing, because junior captains tend to get abused more on reserve, and there is a large number of FO's who have spent 3-4 years on reserve as FO's, and now want to hold a line and have some semblance of a life for a little while before doing it all over again, despite the loss of pay.
3. Insurance isn't amazing, but it's ok.
4. Flight benefits are on any "American" flight. (AA, Envoy, PSA, PDT, Mesa, RAH, Skywest, etc. - whoever is operating it), the only caveat is the jumpseat, for which you will have priority on your "own metal" - Envoy.
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