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01-03-2017, 06:54 PM

#21

Jecain7

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Originally Posted by PilotJ3

So you will go to RAH or something that doesn't have flow or preferential interview? Those waiting for the flow are usually long time CAs and people that want to get into a legacy without degree.

Other than that, it should be a back pocket insurance. At the end a regional is a regional, if you get into a WO just thinking to sit there until flow, you're doing it wrong.

rah was an example, i'd prefer PDT, PSA, or 9E for the backup of flow or PI. Several pilots I jumpseated with on AA said apply to everywhere despite having the flow. Keep everything up to date and if you get a call great, if you don't, you've got the flow potentially to fall back on.

01-03-2017, 07:19 PM

#22

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Originally Posted by Jecain7

lol thats why i don't want them to chime in, so I can maybe hear some shred of hope. I wanna stay in DFW, but if I gotta move back to the east coast in the interest of having some sort of life, I guess i'll do that.

If DFW is important to you take Envoy. Driving to training events, recurrent and reserve makes the job vastly better. Even if you didn't get DFW out the gate it shouldn't take long. The bid that closes tomorrow has spots for 40 DFW E145 FOs and should get guys hired in the last couple of months back to DFW.

01-03-2017, 07:51 PM

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Aviatrx

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Originally Posted by Jecain7

Any regional is a stepping stone in my eyes. Just trying to make the right choice and not sit at envoy for a decade waiting on the flow which may or may not happen. I wouldn't be jumping on board until potentially may-august, so i'm hoping that things will improve somewhat in regards to schedule and JM'ing. If upgrades times are sitting at 2.5 thats fine. Plenty of competition, lot of tough choices and no reason to settle. Hopefully things get better while I wait to reach 1500hrs.

Most at Envoy that have a decade or more of seniority are not waiting for flow. They have not received invites to interview at the legacies. The flow is nice, but be ready to spend some time wherever you land. During your time there, try and make it a better place until you are called up to the big leagues.

01-03-2017, 09:00 PM

#24

PilotJ3

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Originally Posted by Aviatrx

Those with a decade at Envoy will flow with vacation accrual of 4-5 weeks. Most of the guys I flew my time at Envoy are not updating their apps or doing what it has to be done to move into a legacy.

01-03-2017, 09:27 PM

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LongTimeListenr

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Originally Posted by Smutter

And a shrinking emj fleet, with the crj vanishing quickly. We'll be a small company, starting in April those 175 new hires will start getting bumped backwards due to displacements from the crj(probably later then April, obvious to most, except cr700 and dacuj)

Crj staying until 2018 at least and there will be no displacements.

01-03-2017, 09:30 PM

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LongTimeListenr

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Originally Posted by Smutter

So what do you think, the crj pilots are going to fly invisible planes. They will go somewhere, which most will go to the 175. They won't have to displace off the 175 if we get more orders, but guys will fall in seniority as crj guys move over. According to dacuj, everything is good here, so jr line holders won't mind the reserve lines.

Attrition you genius. Captains flow or leave, and FO's upgrade as the fleet shrinks. That's why it's not happening overnight. Maybe you didn't get the memo but they sent an HI6 about it.

01-03-2017, 09:33 PM

#27

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Originally Posted by LongTimeListenr

Crj staying until 2018 at least and there will be no displacements.

I'll take that bet!

01-03-2017, 11:52 PM

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24Whiskey

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Originally Posted by Jecain7

yea, so i've heard..its still on my list of places to interview at.

Just be warned: the DFW - anywhere commute in the DL system is tough. (LGA would probably be your best bet.) Lots of DL commuters live in the Metroplex back from the DFW domicile glory days. Seems like whenever I operate through there we've got a jumpseater and when I try to 2-leg from AUS/SAT the loads are tight.

01-04-2017, 12:33 AM

#29

TrinityDawn

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Originally Posted by Bigpimppilot

Have the options been announced? Aren't they due to have been anounced by now?

None of the options for additional E-175's for Envoy have been exercised as far as we know.

At last check, AA is right near scope limits for "large RJ's." If they start pulling seats out of CRJ's operated by other AA feeders (or re-configuring them for fewer seats with the addition of first class) that would be a good sign of options about to be announced.

Sometime in the near future, Embraer is planning on switching their production line over to the E2 line, with geared turbofans and other improvements. The E2 version of the 175 is above scope limits for MGTOW. I would guess if Embraer doesn't hear from AA on those options, we will see them switch to producing E2's, but that is only speculation on my part.