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02-04-2017 | 10:08 AM
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02-04-2017 | 11:46 AM
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Other than that it's very straight forward. They do a really good job teaching you real vs SIM flying. SIM- 30degree intercept to final 4 miles outside the FAF on altitude and speed. Real - airport 11 o'clock 15 miles report field in sight.... cleared visual 17L keep your speed up you are number one to the field. Just enjoy it and learn all you can.
02-04-2017 | 11:46 AM
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02-04-2017 | 01:35 PM
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I agree with what others said: if you made it through training you should be fine. Best of luck.
02-04-2017 | 03:32 PM
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IOE is not a cake walk. Just show up with the mindset of working with an open mind. The instructors mainly teach and observe to see if you won't bend the airplane and understand everything learned. In other words, it's fun, but you'll still learn something. After IOE, depending on who you fly with, you'll learn even more.
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02-04-2017 | 08:38 PM
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Police2pilot. Remember, the grass is always greener on the other side. I was in your position 16 years ago. Figured I'd trade in the cruiser for a 172, flight instruct for a few years, make the quick jump to Eagle, flow to AA in 5 years, and live a happy life slinging gear on a 757 while overnighting in 5 star hotels in Europe with super hot flight attendants the next 30 years.
Fast forward 16 years. Eagle is now envoy, and I'm still here. Still haven't been to Europe, but often fly over the Paris VOR on my way back to DFW. No 5 star hotels, but I do get the occasional sack lunch with with an apple, granola bar, can of apple juice, and a dry bagel on some early mornings in the hotel lobby of LA Quinta. And the flight attendants...well, they are mostly dudes!
My first contrast between LE and the airline world was the immediate loss of comradary. When a cop dies, the first question asked is, "Where's the funeral?" When a fellow pilot dies, the first question asked is, "What's his seniority number?" You live, and die by your date of hire, not by your merits, skills, or achievements.
Had I stayed in law enforcement, I'd be retired, have a comfortable pension and probably be flying for fun, and working at REI just to get a discount on camping gear. Now I'm still hoping to flow to AA, and often speak with my former coworkers, most of whom are Chiefs, Luitenants, or retired, and listen to stories about their current or upcoming retirements. I'm getting up there in age and now looking forward to commuting for 2-3 years to New York to share a hot bunk with a bunch of other "new hires" in Queens!
Do I regret my decision? Sometimes. I did a lot my first couple of years. If I could do it all over, I would have stayed in Law Enforcement until I could take my earliest retirement, then go fly for a regional and see where it took me. It's a lot more fun sitting at the "donut shop" cutting it up with your buddies while getting paid, than it is sitting around the airport or the hotel for hours waiting for your next flight not getting paid (yes, we get $1.80/hr per diem during those times).
I don't know what's going on with your pension, but if you need to move on, I WOULD definitely recommend envoy. Best training, best maintenance, best travel benefits, best pay, best flow through...horrible schedules! Hope this helps brother. Good luck!
Fast forward 16 years. Eagle is now envoy, and I'm still here. Still haven't been to Europe, but often fly over the Paris VOR on my way back to DFW. No 5 star hotels, but I do get the occasional sack lunch with with an apple, granola bar, can of apple juice, and a dry bagel on some early mornings in the hotel lobby of LA Quinta. And the flight attendants...well, they are mostly dudes!
My first contrast between LE and the airline world was the immediate loss of comradary. When a cop dies, the first question asked is, "Where's the funeral?" When a fellow pilot dies, the first question asked is, "What's his seniority number?" You live, and die by your date of hire, not by your merits, skills, or achievements.
Had I stayed in law enforcement, I'd be retired, have a comfortable pension and probably be flying for fun, and working at REI just to get a discount on camping gear. Now I'm still hoping to flow to AA, and often speak with my former coworkers, most of whom are Chiefs, Luitenants, or retired, and listen to stories about their current or upcoming retirements. I'm getting up there in age and now looking forward to commuting for 2-3 years to New York to share a hot bunk with a bunch of other "new hires" in Queens!
Do I regret my decision? Sometimes. I did a lot my first couple of years. If I could do it all over, I would have stayed in Law Enforcement until I could take my earliest retirement, then go fly for a regional and see where it took me. It's a lot more fun sitting at the "donut shop" cutting it up with your buddies while getting paid, than it is sitting around the airport or the hotel for hours waiting for your next flight not getting paid (yes, we get $1.80/hr per diem during those times).
I don't know what's going on with your pension, but if you need to move on, I WOULD definitely recommend envoy. Best training, best maintenance, best travel benefits, best pay, best flow through...horrible schedules! Hope this helps brother. Good luck!
02-04-2017 | 08:40 PM
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02-04-2017 | 09:26 PM
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Like others have said, they will teach you the real world. You will learn to brief an approach without swapping controls. If you are on the 145 you might get to learn how to do 250 to the marker and still meet the stabilization requirements.
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