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Hou757 09-07-2018 01:46 PM

So did this thing pass?

Southern Fried 09-07-2018 01:48 PM

MEC voted unanimously to release the TA for a pilot vote. Details to follow in the coming days.

Austin Milbarge 09-07-2018 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by Hou757 (Post 2670329)
So did this thing pass?

It passed the MEC and will be coming to the pilots for a vote.

Hou757 09-07-2018 01:53 PM


Originally Posted by Austin Milbarge (Post 2670332)
It passed the MEC and will be coming to the pilots for a vote.


Just saw the email. Thanks!!

Blackhawk 09-07-2018 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by Hou757 (Post 2670336)
Just saw the email. Thanks!!

Thanks for posting here. No email yet for the CRJ side. In spite of all the crap going on here and Facebook I think most of us trust you to do what is in everyone's best interest and if it passed through your MEC it should be ok at worst. I look forward to seeing it.

Hou757 09-07-2018 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by Blackhawk (Post 2670358)
Thanks for posting here. No email yet for the CRJ side. In spite of all the crap going on here and Facebook I think most of us trust you to do what is in everyone's best interest and if it passed through your MEC it should be ok at worst. I look forward to seeing it.


The email just stated that it passed unanimously. Information will be sent to the pilot group in coming days. 2 weeks then vote. Trust me, we will hold the line. I do trust our MEC and expect this to be a good proposal.

chrisreedrules 09-07-2018 05:24 PM

Good for you guys. I hope you get a contract you deserve.

Nevjets 09-07-2018 09:01 PM


Originally Posted by Blackhawk (Post 2670173)
Actually, I am working under the XJT contract. October bidding in ORD is IAW the XJT contract.

There are some aspects of the contract I like. I'm not dogging everything in the contract. But it's ironic that you would say you like your contract because it's not "every man for himself", but that's essentially what ILIW IS. Every man for himself.

Also, ALPA did fight long and hard for seniority. Prior to that upgrades, furloughs, everything was at the whim of the company. If they liked you, you upgraded. If they didn't like you or you were an ALPA rep, you got furloughed first. Do you really want to get rid of that? Do you want your upgrade to be "fair" instead of rewarding those who've been on property the longest?


It’s just a different culture at lxjt than you are used to at lasa. Over there, everything seems to be strictly seniority. At lxjt, like I said, not only the ILIW, which allows junior people to get extra days off, for example, that their seniority wouldn’t otherwise allow, but the contract also requires four phases of vacation bidding, and pilots of all seniority accruing five hours of sick bank per month. At lxjt the MEC (ALPA) decided to spread the love/pain on those few key contract pieces. Even the ILIW window isn’t a giveaway to the junior pilots as they are on equal footing as any other pilot. But it still does honor seniority a bit in that it allows people who are lineholders to improve their schedule before relief line holders get theirs built with the leftovers. But even that, I’ve seen dozens of pilots bid DOWN (exercising their seniority) into a relief line SPECIFICALLY to use smartpref and not deal with the ILIW.

Anyway, nothing is always completely set in stone. Just because the smartpref LOA envisions an ILIW, doesn’t mean lasa pilots cannot still influence a different outcome.

LARRI 09-08-2018 03:47 AM

TA
 
Hearing everything stayed the same as current contract with enhancements to work rules and pay scales...can anyone confirm?

Arliss 09-08-2018 05:27 AM

I've heard zilch, bit I'm anxious like you!

Back to the ILIW, I've never once heard a senior pilot complain about the ILIW. Everyone likes it and everyone makes it work. Your seniority determines whether you get a hard line or not to begin with. And we get to adjust our schedules with the better stuff in open time before the more junior people have their relief lines built. If you like, you can exercise your seniority and opt out of phase one and go to the phase two, where you can then choose a relief line or reserve.

Lately there's been a lot left over on the FO side and there's still some really good pairings that go to relief lines. Also, if we are going to PBS, I'm looking forward to the substantially improved credit rules. Based on the feel from other airlines, they wind up crediting noticeably more hours for the same flying.


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