"Aviate"?
#92
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I know a few folks in the old CPP waiting to go. One of them is in upgrade class now and is worried that they'll have to fly for another year before being eligible to go over. I wonder if this new program will keep those in the pool and attract new hires
#93
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Yea there is no shortage of pilots at the Majors, but Regionals fly almost half of United's flying and if they cant recruit pilots there goes your huge paycheck. That could be a huge problem in the future with the stability of United. Airlines that don't have any regional feed don't have to worry about this. This program is to get people from calling in sick and promising the potential of a job. Right now this program sucks and most of the great pilots that I know are bouncing to LLC's, Southwest, Jetblue and the cargo carriers. They arent going to sit around for a potential job that can be taken away at any moment. If United wanted great pilots they wouldn't have put two check ride failures after they get put into the pool? I don't want to ride on a plane with candidates like that! I called in sick on a holiday 5 years ago and I am not taking a chance with this program. I am opting out of this and going the traditional route.
#94
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At the end of the day United is getting great pilots with great attitudes. There is also a huge number of great pilots at the regionals and only a few job openings. Some aren’t going to get picked under any plan and will end up going to other companies. There just isn’t a slot for everyone. United is spending a bunch of time and money preaching Core 4 values. They are trying very hard to repair years of employee skepticism and how the brand is viewed by the public brought on by a long list of previous actions by the company. Because of this they are going to look at personality and attitude very hard. Your resume says that you have the hours and that you can fly, but they are going to be very cautious about adding more bad apples to the bunch. We already have plenty.
United is the same old crappy product.
#95
At the end of the day United is getting great pilots with great attitudes. There is also a huge number of great pilots at the regionals and only a few job openings. Some aren’t going to get picked under any plan and will end up going to other companies. There just isn’t a slot for everyone. United is spending a bunch of time and money preaching Core 4 values. They are trying very hard to repair years of employee skepticism and how the brand is viewed by the public brought on by a long list of previous actions by the company. Because of this they are going to look at personality and attitude very hard. Your resume says that you have the hours and that you can fly, but they are going to be very cautious about adding more bad apples to the bunch. We already have plenty.
#96
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Any word on how many Aviate pilots will be in each new hire class? Seems that part was purposefully left out. I believe I saw something that said equal number of pilots from each participating airline which sucks for you guys since you have a larger pilot group.
#97
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That won’t be sustainable. That would wipe out C5. There might be some consolidation down the road, and that will clear up the confusion.
#98
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DAL announced a need for 10,000 Pilots over the next decade this morning. UAL announced a need for 8k and looking at the American numbers on their profile they’ll most likely need over 12k. JetBlue and Southwest will also need a considerable amount. Odds are in your favor ladies and gents without Aviate/CPP, Propel or a flow. Market yourselves and “stay humble” 😂
#99
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DAL announced a need for 10,000 Pilots over the next decade this morning. UAL announced a need for 8k and looking at the American numbers on their profile they’ll most likely need over 12k. JetBlue and Southwest will also need a considerable amount. Odds are in your favor ladies and gents without Aviate/CPP, Propel or a flow. Market yourselves and “stay humble”
Where did you see DAL says they need 10k pilots? Most recent numbers they’ve put out publicly is 8k...so, I think you’ve transposed the UAL/DAL numbers...
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#100
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