MacrossJet

Is it better to go to another regional is United is your number one? VS. getting hired at XJT?

Two buddies of mine, one at EDV and PSA say United is snapping up their people like crazy.

Also if you go though Aviate, you only get one chance, like Eminem said to make a good impression, right?

No do overs?

Itsajob

Keep in mind that there are thousands of people trying to get a limited number of slots and there is no real way of knowing the “best path” to United. Any regional that has the Aviate program will probably give you a better chance of getting an interview. Once you pass the Hogan you will be just another candidate at that point. It is my understanding that United doesn’t give any preference to those who show up to interview day due to the program. There is no guarantee of employment, but an increased chance of starting the interview process.

Not many do overs in this game. There are people who failed the first attempt at the Hogan who later passed and were either hired, or rejected after the interview. Some never get the second chance. There are also plenty of people at the majors who were turned down by other legacy airlines. United has had a 2 strike policy for a while. Fail either part of the process twice, and you can scratch United off of your list of potential employers.

DoSomePilotStuf

The communication thus far does state specifically that if you work for an Aviate carrier and choose to forgo Aviate and apply OTS it does hurt your chances.

As for who is more likely to be hired it’s wait and see. If they truly want this to work as a recruiting tool they must show preference to Aviate carriers. How much is TBD, but if they don’t they are going to continue down their current path of increasing dependence on SkyWest and Republic. Something they clearly want to avoid when they are out investing so much elsewhere.

This may not be a popular sentiment, but it doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

Glenn Would

If the only civilian-only candidates United will interview are at regionals involved in the Aviate program, Trans States and GoJet are goners, and Republic and SkyWest will have way slower career progression than they currently enjoy. Many pilots will make lateral moves out of there to regionals with the Aviate program, others will go to Delta/FedEx/ULCC’s/ACMI, thus sabotaging the feed those four regionals provide. Can United afford to loose all that feed that quickly?

Point being, I don’t think pilots at non-Aviate regionals should count themselves out with United.

Itsajob

My understanding is that a large number of the regional pilots selected for an interview will come from the program. I can see where electing to forgo the program and try to get hired OTS could reduce your odds of getting the call. The reason is simply that the thousands of people applying OTS are competing for only a few slots. The Aviate program simply increases your chances of starting the interview process, not preferential hiring once the process starts. I don’t see a bias against people who are not in the program. They will simply face the same odds of getting the call as someone flying for a non-Aviate company. Once at the interview the applicant will be treated like the rest, no bias or preference. That still serves as a recruiting tool. While pilots at non-Aviate airlines will continue to be hired, to someone starting out the odds of getting an interview with United should be better if they went to an airline in the Aviate program. Military applicants will be unaffected. United and the others will still actively seek out and hire military pilots.

DoSomePilotStuf

I don’t disagree at all. I just expect it is now more difficult to get an OTS interview. How much more difficult is TBD. As I’ve said, if they want to properly staff their regionals they will have to take a significant step in making sure this doesn’t get a bad rep. They will have to generate excitement by putting a lot of people on the FIFO list.

MooseAg03

Actually, if you choose not to join Aviate and apply off the street, it does not hurt your chances. How about you stop spreading misinformation? It only says if you withdraw from Aviate to apply OTS that it MAY hurt your chances.

From the Aviate FAQ:

What if I can get hired by United faster through their traditional pilot hiring process?
By accepting an offer to Aviate, you will be expected to complete your commitment to United’s Aviate program and remain in Aviate on your way to a United flight deck. Those who are in Aviate are not eligible for hire by United through the traditional hiring process. If you are a participant in Aviate, in order to apply to United through the traditional process, you will be required to withdraw from Aviate first.

Please know that withdrawing from Aviate may jeopardize your competitiveness to enter United through the traditional hiring process.






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DoSomePilotStuf

Come on. This doesn’t make sense on any level. You are telling me that if United stopped hiring from any of the regionals you just mentioned that suddenly United would have all these problems? GoJets and TSA may struggle a little. But SkyWest and Republic? Yeah they are going to struggle a little more with recruiting. That’s the point. But the pilots suddenly leaving in droves makes zero sense.

SureJetz

Yes, I agree. Republic and Skywest will not have issues. Trans States Holdings carriers appear to have trouble on the horizon however.

UnitedExpress

This aviate program doesn’t get me out of bed in the morning. I’ll leave it at that.