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Old 02-16-2020, 06:19 PM
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Got no love for the guy. Always been a tool. You just couldn’t resist an opportunity for a cold shot at an ex CRJ guy though.

Lucky lol. Sorry man, a pay cut, crappy contract and a serious liability of an aircraft don’t strike me as “lucking out”.
Nah, I'd say ALL of the ex-ASA pilots got lucky. If you disagree, you should have sought to be released from the group instead of getting a windfall on our seniority list. Unless you are retirement eligible, I'd say having a job is better than unemployment. Especially for the majority of the senior ASA pilots who are camped out on the 175. Next time you see a Mesa 175 you can thank the ASA MEC for that.
I wonder what the percentage of ex-ASA to XJT pilots is on the 175. The irony of that is not lost on me.
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Nah, I'd say ALL of the ex-ASA pilots got lucky. If you disagree, you should have sought to be released from the group instead of getting a windfall on our seniority list. Unless you are retirement eligible, I'd say having a job is better than unemployment. Especially for the majority of the senior ASA pilots who are camped out on the 175. Next time you see a Mesa 175 you can thank the ASA MEC for that.
I wonder what the percentage of ex-ASA to XJT pilots is on the 175. The irony of that is not lost on me.
No idea what you are talking about but cool story.

If you are referring to living in base for decades, settling down with the family (can’t fault anyone for doing that), providing the company with the work they expected you to do for many many years, keeping healthy and dedicated to safely performing your job, then..................the company you have dedicated your whole adult life to suddenly decides they no longer want to do business with the company you work for and you must uproot your life to continue working under a similar income and a chance at flight benefits when you retire, is now the story of your life.........

I’d consider that “unlucky”. Misfortune had to occur before said pilot could get lucky enough to fly an ERJ. It’s all in your perspective. From my point of view, considering the lack of staffing at EV, the airline itself is the lucky one. Lucky that these guys decided to stick it out a little longer and make QOL sacrifices as well as pay cuts to provide the company with someone to fly their aircraft.

I get it though, if you were adversely affected by the seniority integration, you’d be bitter. Still though, would you have made the choice to hang up the wings knowing there was a chance that someone might be offended by moving down slightly on the seniority list?
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Old 02-16-2020, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Southern Fried View Post
Nah, I'd say ALL of the ex-ASA pilots got lucky. If you disagree, you should have sought to be released from the group instead of getting a windfall on our seniority list. Unless you are retirement eligible, I'd say having a job is better than unemployment. Especially for the majority of the senior ASA pilots who are camped out on the 175. Next time you see a Mesa 175 you can thank the ASA MEC for that.
I wonder what the percentage of ex-ASA to XJT pilots is on the 175. The irony of that is not lost on me.
Oh yeah the CJR side got so lucky.

This ERJ CBA is the biggest piece of $hit out there.

What I can't understand is the ERJ ALPA fought tooth and nail not to take anything from the CRJ contract. during the merger. All we heard is HOW GREAT the ERJ contract was. Let me tell you it's GARBAGE! You're just to stupid to know it.

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Old 02-16-2020, 07:05 PM
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You're just to stupid to know it.

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In this instance the word is spelled too.

just saying

glass houses and all......
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Old 02-16-2020, 07:18 PM
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Oh yeah the CJR side got so lucky.

This ERJ CBA is the biggest piece of $hit out there.

What I can't understand is the ERJ ALPA fought tooth and nail not to take anything from the CRJ contract. during the merger. All we heard is HOW GREAT the ERJ contract was. Let me tell you it's GARBAGE! You're just to stupid to know it.

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If you think the ERJ side fought tooth and nail to not take anything from the CRJ contract, that's probably just one of the lies JB told you. Or maybe some of the BS your former MEC chair was telling your pilot group so they could stay on their gravy train.
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In this instance the word is spelled too.

just saying

glass houses and all......
Point itsajob.

lol...

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Old 02-16-2020, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by afterburn81 View Post
No idea what you are talking about but cool story.

If you are referring to living in base for decades, settling down with the family (can’t fault anyone for doing that), providing the company with the work they expected you to do for many many years, keeping healthy and dedicated to safely performing your job, then..................the company you have dedicated your whole adult life to suddenly decides they no longer want to do business with the company you work for and you must uproot your life to continue working under a similar income and a chance at flight benefits when you retire, is now the story of your life.........

I’d consider that “unlucky”. Misfortune had to occur before said pilot could get lucky enough to fly an ERJ. It’s all in your perspective. From my point of view, considering the lack of staffing at EV, the airline itself is the lucky one. Lucky that these guys decided to stick it out a little longer and make QOL sacrifices as well as pay cuts to provide the company with someone to fly their aircraft.

I get it though, if you were adversely affected by the seniority integration, you’d be bitter. Still though, would you have made the choice to hang up the wings knowing there was a chance that someone might be offended by moving down slightly on the seniority list?
Yeah, cool story. If only it was just a story.

I'll spell it out for you. The majority of the 200 - 300 ASA pilots that actually came to the ERJ side are now our most senior pilots. Hence, most of the seats on our new 175s are taken by you. The ironic part is how the ASA MEC caused United to walk away from giving 175s to us during the period of time we were subject to the Transition and Process Agreement. Remember that meeting about a month before Mesa announced their new deal with United for 175s? Meh, maybe you don't know. Many of you don't.
So, next time you see a Mesa 175 taxiing around you can thank your very own ASA MEC for that. Those 175s could have been ours. But because they were destined to only come to the (at the time) current United partner (XJT), the ASA side decided that we wouldn't get any of them. Now those ASA pilots are flying the new XJT 175s. Irony.

You know, I get that you and 701 are all butt-hurt over having to survive on our "inferior" contract. But, at least your butt gets to ride in that 175, eh? Not so bad I'd say. As for having to commute, I guess you have to take the good with the bad sometimes. At least you can still feed your family and pay the mortgage, right? I'd say that's better than unemployment or going to the bottom of another regional airlines seniority list.

Some people just can't accept charity with a smile and a thank you.
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Old 02-16-2020, 07:31 PM
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Oh yeah the CJR side got so lucky.

This ERJ CBA is the biggest piece of $hit out there.

What I can't understand is the ERJ ALPA fought tooth and nail not to take anything from the CRJ contract. during the merger. All we heard is HOW GREAT the ERJ contract was. Let me tell you it's GARBAGE! You're just to stupid to know it.

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Not stupid, just thankful for what I have. Unlike some of you.

And, tell me what else besides your PBS software we declined to accept? Why don't you educate us on that point. You sound like you know more about that than the average XJT pilot.
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Old 02-17-2020, 04:54 AM
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Yeah, cool story. If only it was just a story.

I'll spell it out for you. The majority of the 200 - 300 ASA pilots that actually came to the ERJ side are now our most senior pilots. Hence, most of the seats on our new 175s are taken by you. The ironic part is how the ASA MEC caused United to walk away from giving 175s to us during the period of time we were subject to the Transition and Process Agreement. Remember that meeting about a month before Mesa announced their new deal with United for 175s? Meh, maybe you don't know. Many of you don't.
So, next time you see a Mesa 175 taxiing around you can thank your very own ASA MEC for that. Those 175s could have been ours. But because they were destined to only come to the (at the time) current United partner (XJT), the ASA side decided that we wouldn't get any of them. Now those ASA pilots are flying the new XJT 175s. Irony.

You know, I get that you and 701 are all butt-hurt over having to survive on our "inferior" contract. But, at least your butt gets to ride in that 175, eh? Not so bad I'd say. As for having to commute, I guess you have to take the good with the bad sometimes. At least you can still feed your family and pay the mortgage, right? I'd say that's better than unemployment or going to the bottom of another regional airlines seniority list.

Some people just can't accept charity with a smile and a thank you.
All I read here is, I’m a bitter person that can’t get over the fact that ASA and ExpressJet “merged”. Call sign ACEY. ASQ as an identifier, HQ in ATL, executive decision to fly one brand of aircraft. If you remember, the combined company was named “Surejet” for a short period of time. The people revolted. The company came up with a list of names to rename. ExpressJet was one. The people picked ExpressJet.


Just because the name of the company eventually became ExpressJet, doesn’t negate the fact that the operating certificate was merged. For the purpose of “One” company.

Speaking if luck, do you recall the conference call and announcement by SkyWest INC that ExpressJet was planned to be an all CRJ airline and all E145s were to be given back to the United. I personally remember this because I had many friends that flew the ERJ. I expressed my condolences and was passionate about ensuring everyone felt as if we were one company. I deserve this job equally. If the integration resulted in a necessary displacement, I’d find another job if I couldn’t hack it. Point of this story. EVERYONE is lucky. Things could have been drastically different and were planned to go that way.

One last thing. If you feel the CRJ MEC had the ability to control the fate of the company the degree that you described, ask any of us that flew all the CR7s and CR2s out to Skywest MX hangers around the country to transfer them to the OO certificate. Watching the company dismantle in front of our eyes.
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