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Old 04-24-2020 | 09:17 AM
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There's so much BS out there about XJT, ManaAir, etc. But the details are all right here in the SkyWest annual report from last year. http://inc.skywest.com/assets/Upload...nualReport.pdf page 76

Summary
1) The "asset sale" - UA bought some assets related to XJT from SkyWest for $60mil. " including, among other things, aircraft engines, auxiliary power units, rotable spare parts, ground support equipment and flight training equipment" Note there is no mention of ManaAir related to these assets

2) ManaAir acquired all stock (kind of implying remaining assets) from SkyWest for $16 mil. Kair Enterprises, Inc, is mentioned as the majority owner of ManaAir with United being a minority owner. In the UA annual report from last year, it clearly states that UA owns 49.9% of ManaAir, leaving Kair Enterprises as the 50.1% owner.

3) as part of the deal, SkyWest made a loan to Kair Enterprises of $26mil. Hmm...….

Net - ManaAir did not buy XJT for $60mil or $76 mil. UA bought sims, parts and support equip for $60 mil and ManaAir bought the cert, the employees and the training program for $16mil. And ManaAIr is owned 50.1% by Kair Enterprises and 49.9% by UA.

So what does XJT really own? Seems to me the following:
a) operating certificate
b) stable of well trained and current pilots, FA's, Ops folks, MX folks, etc
c) great EMB145 AQP program
d) a bunch of building leases...…

What's the value of these things in this environment?

And Kair Enterprises had a loan from SkyWest for $26mil. No info on the terms.




Here's the relevant section of the SkyWest annual report for reference

ExpressJet Sale
On January 22, 2019, the Company completed the previously announced sale of its wholly owned subsidiary
ExpressJet. The Company anticipates the sale of ExpressJet will result in a gain in 2019. The closing of the transaction
was completed in two parts, through an asset sale and stock sale, as further described below.


Asset Sale
On January 11, 2019, pursuant to the terms and conditions of the Asset Purchase Agreement, dated as of
December 17, 2018 (the “Asset Purchase Agreement”), by and among the Company, ExpressJet and United, United
acquired certain specified assets and liabilities of ExpressJet, including, among other things, aircraft engines, auxiliary
power units, rotable spare parts, ground support equipment and flight training equipment for $60.0 million in cash,
subject to certain purchase price adjustments (the “Asset Sale”). Certain assets and liabilities of ExpressJet were
expressly excluded from the Asset Sale.

Stock Sale
Additionally, on January 22, 2019, pursuant to the terms and conditions of the Stock Purchase Agreement, dated
as of December 17, 2018, by and among the Company and ManaAir, LLC, a company in which United owns a minority
interest (the “Buyer”), the Buyer acquired all of the outstanding shares of capital stock of ExpressJet from the Company
for $16.0 million in cash, subject to certain purchase price adjustments (the “Stock Sale,” and collectively with the Asset
Sale, the “ExpressJet Sale”). To facilitate payment of the purchase price for the Stock Sale, at the closing of the Stock
Sale, the Company loaned $26 million to Kair Enterprises, Inc., the majority owner of the Buyer. The Company agreed
to lease 16 CRJ200 aircraft to ExpressJet for up to a five year term as part of the transaction.

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Old 04-24-2020 | 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by SeeYa
it’s 49.9% and it’s really not a secret.



from UA’s 10-K
Yes! and BTW, since this comes up a lot, too, per the UA 10-K, UA owns 19% of Republic. Considering that Republic is >2X the size of XJT and it includes ownership of airplanes, UA's stake in Republic is actually larger than UA's stake in XJT in terms of real assets/value.
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Old 04-24-2020 | 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by DBono
There's so much BS out there about XJT, ManaAir, etc. But the details are all right here in the SkyWest annual report from last year. http://inc.skywest.com/assets/Upload...nualReport.pdf page 76

Summary
1) The "asset sale" - UA bought some assets related to XJT from SkyWest for $60mil. " including, among other things, aircraft engines, auxiliary power units, rotable spare parts, ground support equipment and flight training equipment" Note there is no mention of ManaAir related to these assets

2) ManaAir acquired all stock (kind of implying remaining assets) from SkyWest for $16 mil. Kair Enterprises, Inc, is mentioned as the majority owner of ManaAir with United being a minority owner. In the UA annual report from last year, it clearly states that UA owns 49.9% of ManaAir, leaving Kair Enterprises as the 50.1% owner.

3) as part of the deal, SkyWest made a loan to Kair Enterprises of $26mil. Hmm...….

Net - ManaAir did not buy XJT for $60mil or $76 mil. UA bought sims, parts and support equip for $60 mil and ManaAir bought the cert, the employees and the training program for $16mil. And ManaAIr is owned 50.1% by Kair Enterprises and 49.9% by UA.

So what does XJT really own? Seems to me the following:
a) operating certificate
b) stable of well trained and current pilots, FA's, Ops folks, MX folks, etc
c) great EMB145 AQP program
d) a bunch of building leases...…

What's the value of these things in this environment?

And Kair Enterprises had a loan from SkyWest for $26mil. No info on the terms.




Here's the relevant section of the SkyWest annual report for reference

ExpressJet Sale
On January 22, 2019, the Company completed the previously announced sale of its wholly owned subsidiary
ExpressJet. The Company anticipates the sale of ExpressJet will result in a gain in 2019. The closing of the transaction
was completed in two parts, through an asset sale and stock sale, as further described below.


Asset Sale
On January 11, 2019, pursuant to the terms and conditions of the Asset Purchase Agreement, dated as of
December 17, 2018 (the “Asset Purchase Agreement”), by and among the Company, ExpressJet and United, United
acquired certain specified assets and liabilities of ExpressJet, including, among other things, aircraft engines, auxiliary
power units, rotable spare parts, ground support equipment and flight training equipment for $60.0 million in cash,
subject to certain purchase price adjustments (the “Asset Sale”). Certain assets and liabilities of ExpressJet were
expressly excluded from the Asset Sale.

Stock Sale
Additionally, on January 22, 2019, pursuant to the terms and conditions of the Stock Purchase Agreement, dated
as of December 17, 2018, by and among the Company and ManaAir, LLC, a company in which United owns a minority
interest (the “Buyer”), the Buyer acquired all of the outstanding shares of capital stock of ExpressJet from the Company
for $16.0 million in cash, subject to certain purchase price adjustments (the “Stock Sale,” and collectively with the Asset
Sale, the “ExpressJet Sale”). To facilitate payment of the purchase price for the Stock Sale, at the closing of the Stock
Sale, the Company loaned $26 million to Kair Enterprises, Inc., the majority owner of the Buyer. The Company agreed
to lease 16 CRJ200 aircraft to ExpressJet for up to a five year term as part of the transaction.

Thanks for this!
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Old 04-24-2020 | 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by DBono
Yes! and BTW, since this comes up a lot, too, per the UA 10-K, UA owns 19% of Republic. Considering that Republic is >2X the size of XJT and it includes ownership of airplanes, UA's stake in Republic is actually larger than UA's stake in XJT in terms of real assets/value.
good point. Does Republic own any of their airplanes or are they all leased?
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Old 04-24-2020 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by UnitedExpress
XJT will receive CARES ACT money.
Is this statement based on XJT being able to meet the original qualifications to receive the money, or the expectation that they get an exemption for some reason? Since they can’t provide the required stock warrants, and they don’t own any assets, how would you handle the application if you were processing them?
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Old 04-24-2020 | 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by SeeYa
good point. Does Republic own any of their airplanes or are they all leased?
We own the majority of them. There are about 20 UA frames and a handful of DL frames that we lease, but of our 200 aircraft, I believe about 150 are owned.
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Old 04-24-2020 | 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Itsajob
Is this statement based on XJT being able to meet the original qualifications to receive the money, or the expectation that they get an exemption for some reason? Since they can’t provide the required stock warrants, and they don’t own any assets, how would you handle the application if you were processing them?
I don't have a direct answer to this, but take a step back and approach it from a pragmatic perspective. If there wasn't a way, would they still be in negotiations nearly 3 weeks later? Conventional wisdom would dictate at this point it's the details being sorted out, not the basic question of if.

I can speak for YX and say they're currently negotiating a valuation of the company and waiting for our stakeholders to approve a change to our bylaws that allows us to issue an equity stake to the Treasury.

There's almost always a way.
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Old 04-24-2020 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Melit
It’s a yes or no question. What does your CEO say about it?

Another simple question. Why does a 50+ year old regional lifer troll other regional airline boards.

“Mom!!!!.....meatloaf”

You better run.
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Old 04-24-2020 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Longhornmaniac8
We own the majority of them. There are about 20 UA frames and a handful of DL frames that we lease, but of our 200 aircraft, I believe about 150 are owned.
How will Republic pay the notes on those when the CARES act only pays for about 75% of wages and nothing towards operating expenses?

Did Republic inflate their asking amount? Would think their ask is significantly above $100M?

Can Republic file bankruptcy again since they already filed a few years ago?
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Old 04-24-2020 | 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by sMFer
“Mom!!!!.....meatloaf”
Lol.....perfect.
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