Will ExpressJet survive this?
07-22-2020 | 10:00 AM
#941
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OMG SkyWest does NOT codeshare with United.
07-22-2020 | 10:01 AM
#942
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I’m loving it, man. My only regret is that I didn’t leave the SKW disaster sooner.
I have a lot of friends and memories at XJT, and hope the best for them.
if SKW went under tomorrow, I wouldn’t shed a tear.
I have a lot of friends and memories at XJT, and hope the best for them.
if SKW went under tomorrow, I wouldn’t shed a tear.
07-22-2020 | 10:25 AM
#943
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Towards the end of my days, I ran into more that one SKW'er that really thought they were a cut above, asked why I didn't quit and go to SKW, thought I owed SKW something, yada yada yada....
I just nodded my head.
07-22-2020 | 11:27 AM
#944
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no - it isn’t a code share but the economic model is the same.
EAS/pro-rate/at risk flying is operated by SKYW with SKYW taking all the risk. The EAS subsidy helps but isn’t covering all the cost. This flying only makes sense if you capture “connection fees” from the major.
BTW - where do you think the term “pro-rate” is coming from?
EAS/pro-rate/at risk flying is operated by SKYW with SKYW taking all the risk. The EAS subsidy helps but isn’t covering all the cost. This flying only makes sense if you capture “connection fees” from the major.
BTW - where do you think the term “pro-rate” is coming from?
07-22-2020 | 01:38 PM
#945
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CARES 1 isn't done, why give more, the pressure your feeling is a furlough deadline not CARES 1 being underfunded.
07-22-2020 | 01:57 PM
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the pax books PAH - SFO. That fare is set by UA. That itinerary would not exist without the PAH - ORD leg.
what cut does SKYW get? Spoiler alert: not the fare that SKYW sets for PAH - ORD. But without that leg the PAH - SFO trip would never materialize.
BTW, how do you think it works if you buy SAN - DEN - MUC where DEN - MUC is a code share operates by LH?
what cut does SKYW get? Spoiler alert: not the fare that SKYW sets for PAH - ORD. But without that leg the PAH - SFO trip would never materialize.
BTW, how do you think it works if you buy SAN - DEN - MUC where DEN - MUC is a code share operates by LH?
If United is selling it as PAH-SFO then that’s a code share arrangement similar as LH and revenue is shared accordingly, got it, sorta. Who new EAS could be so lucrative.
07-22-2020 | 02:27 PM
#947
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I understand how it’s booked. I don’t understand why United would give two cents to SKW other then the fare SKW set for the PAH-ORD leg. The Passenger is going to SFO on United no matter what.
If United is selling it as PAH-SFO then that’s a code share arrangement similar as LH and revenue is shared accordingly, got it, sorta. Who new EAS could be so lucrative.
If United is selling it as PAH-SFO then that’s a code share arrangement similar as LH and revenue is shared accordingly, got it, sorta. Who new EAS could be so lucrative.
The point is that you cannot fill a 50 seater or operate a 50 seater on EAS subsidies with PAH/ORD OD pax only.
This model only works because of the connections through the hub that makes this profitable. And the network feed is the only reason the majors agree to that.
It is therefor a little comical to be all that proud of “at risk” flying, setting your own price etc. if 80% of the demand is coming from connecting passengers that mainline pays a revenue share to SKYW to.
the only exception are all the SGU flights to SLC, DEN and PHX. That is just a corporate shuttle operation for HQ. and I am sure they are barely profitable.
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07-22-2020 | 03:19 PM
#948
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No. What set off the chain of events was Continental bidding out the flying and saying that if we didn't take it (the first 25% being put up for CPA) for less than our operating cost then it would go to Chataqua. Apparently you forgot all about that in making Ream your scapegoat.
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Of course this is all history. It doesn't really matter at this point. Time to move on. It's out of my system now.
07-22-2020 | 03:25 PM
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I have family members who are perfectly capable of working, but are making more money sitting at home because of the additional unemployment. That’s why they don’t want it extended, it incentivizes not working.
Back to our topic, I received the WARN/Furlough notice via certified mail yesterday. I’m still wondering if there are any pilots who didn’t receive a letter saying their position would be eliminated on October 1.
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Back to our topic, I received the WARN/Furlough notice via certified mail yesterday. I’m still wondering if there are any pilots who didn’t receive a letter saying their position would be eliminated on October 1.
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07-22-2020 | 03:48 PM
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From: lav dumper
Update from MEC Chair: All,
I need to make you aware of developments that have transpired during the past couple weeks that could have a dramatic impact on our future and the future of ExpressJet Airlines. Late last week, management requested all of the labor leaders on property join them on a call to discuss new information from United Airlines as well as management’s strategy for ExpressJet’s survival into 2021.
On this call, we were informed that United Airlines stated it would only require one E145 carrier moving forward. United Airlines will base their final selection on many factors and will make its decision in the coming weeks. While ExpressJet offers many attributes that make us an attractive long-term partner, cost has reared its ugly head once again and we have been asked by our management team to close the gap between our costs and those at CommutAir. This gap can only be sufficiently closed with labor cost reductions from all labor groups on property, both represented and not. We were briefed by management July 21 about their proposed plan that included reductions in overall pilot compensation and other benefits. I will note that the benefits management proposed reducing did not include health care. While I cannot discuss specifics at this time, your MEC is fully engaged as we move forward assessing the situation and making the initial decisions that are best for the overall health of our airline. We hope to have more concrete answers about our future soon; however, there is no doubt we will be a much smaller airline this fall with meager growth forecast over the next few years.
This has been more than challenging for all of us, and ExpressJet pilots are poised to continue our tradition of examining all the options on the table prior to making the tough decisions necessary to keep us afloat. At this point no decision has been made on how we will proceed, and the next few days will be very challenging and arduous for your elected leadership. I will continue to update you with information as the situation develops.
I need to make you aware of developments that have transpired during the past couple weeks that could have a dramatic impact on our future and the future of ExpressJet Airlines. Late last week, management requested all of the labor leaders on property join them on a call to discuss new information from United Airlines as well as management’s strategy for ExpressJet’s survival into 2021.
On this call, we were informed that United Airlines stated it would only require one E145 carrier moving forward. United Airlines will base their final selection on many factors and will make its decision in the coming weeks. While ExpressJet offers many attributes that make us an attractive long-term partner, cost has reared its ugly head once again and we have been asked by our management team to close the gap between our costs and those at CommutAir. This gap can only be sufficiently closed with labor cost reductions from all labor groups on property, both represented and not. We were briefed by management July 21 about their proposed plan that included reductions in overall pilot compensation and other benefits. I will note that the benefits management proposed reducing did not include health care. While I cannot discuss specifics at this time, your MEC is fully engaged as we move forward assessing the situation and making the initial decisions that are best for the overall health of our airline. We hope to have more concrete answers about our future soon; however, there is no doubt we will be a much smaller airline this fall with meager growth forecast over the next few years.
This has been more than challenging for all of us, and ExpressJet pilots are poised to continue our tradition of examining all the options on the table prior to making the tough decisions necessary to keep us afloat. At this point no decision has been made on how we will proceed, and the next few days will be very challenging and arduous for your elected leadership. I will continue to update you with information as the situation develops.
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