Originally Posted by xjtguy

I can see your point. But what you're neglecting to address is the mantra that PBS creates MORE line holders, less reserve pilots, etc. So yeah, I agree, it's the pairing generator that skews it. But my above point STILL applies



Well ain't that a freaking coincidence, it can go pretty deep on the ERJ side too!!!!!! For CA's, it can be 7+ years in IAH/CLE, and 6+ for ORD.

Originally Posted by newarkblows

Pbs isn't the real problem. PBS could work and could afford pilots a decent QOL while saving the company money. The problem lies in the work rules of a new system. A new set of rules with loopholes, unintended consequences, and new ways for management to blindly "misinterpret" the contract. We, the pilots, lose little by little with these interpretations and have no effective way of standing our ground. The grievance and arbitration process is a complete joke.

When you weigh the two options in the mind of a legacy xjt guy you have option A our current contract which isn't perfect but it is a known evil with past precedence and option B a PBS system which does have potential but we know management doesn't play fair. We have no way to effectively fix a misinterpretation. Waiting a year for an arbitrator to tell the company that it blatantly violated our contract is great but we just got raped for that year. A whole new system with a whole lot of raping until they learn and we define the rules 4 years after we sign this contract.

Originally Posted by MoarAlpha

I couldn't agree more. PBS has the potential, but management keeps f'ing with it. No suprise there really...

Originally Posted by PeezDog

Good to see we are all on the same page now. Genuinely ****ed off and fed up. Its a relief to see everyone agreeing with eachother for the most part instead of bashing eachother. We are definitely stronger when we are unified. Now maybe we can have a voice and prevent the union and management from screwing us over with a junk contract. One you know they are going to try and sell us.