What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
10-13-2014 | 06:58 AM
#7751
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From: FO
Dont be fooled. The 145 side has crap lines unless you're in the top 10% of the company. I've been here 10 years and can't hold weekends off, I've been in the left seat for 8 of those and have never had more than 12 days off. Yes, I'm lucky to have upgraded so quickly, but something has got to give.
Yes, the ILIW is where the majority of people "fix" their schedules. The problem is, you have to be online at 1959:59 on a Friday night to really improve your schedule. What better to do on a Friday night, right? Basically, there are thousands of trades going on in the first minute of the window, and if you don't have a solid "game plan" then you're going to find yourself stuck with whatever mediocre line you were awarded.
Don't be fooled. I'd say the unvocal majority here would be OK with PBS. My issue, and I think the majority of others, is the lack of transparency and blatant mistrust of management. Turning your schedule and life over to a computer with the "man behind the curtain" is a hard sell to most of us.
I couldn't care less if it was Fliteline or SmartPref as long as I didn't have to plan my schedule around the first 2-3 chaotic minutes of the ILIW.
Yes, the ILIW is where the majority of people "fix" their schedules. The problem is, you have to be online at 1959:59 on a Friday night to really improve your schedule. What better to do on a Friday night, right? Basically, there are thousands of trades going on in the first minute of the window, and if you don't have a solid "game plan" then you're going to find yourself stuck with whatever mediocre line you were awarded.
Don't be fooled. I'd say the unvocal majority here would be OK with PBS. My issue, and I think the majority of others, is the lack of transparency and blatant mistrust of management. Turning your schedule and life over to a computer with the "man behind the curtain" is a hard sell to most of us.
I couldn't care less if it was Fliteline or SmartPref as long as I didn't have to plan my schedule around the first 2-3 chaotic minutes of the ILIW.
Smartest ERJ pilot award goes to you sir
As for turning over your life to a computer it's the same as the autopilot crap in = crap out. Also after award it generates a step by step logic of what it tried to award you based on what you wanted. And why it gave that trip to you or why it couldn't so it takes away the conspiracy thoughts atleast
10-13-2014 | 07:15 AM
#7752
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Ok wait, you said the TLV is a window. Then you said it's a target and if the window is 80-110, it'll build a schedule in that window. But then you used an example of the TLV being 90, (which sounds like a target, not a window). And if it can't build a schedule to 90, then it'll use a window of 80-90? Then there is a personal threshold? Can you set the personal threshold to 60?
The TLV (threshold line value) means almost nothing if you set your own PCT. The system will work its way through your bidsheet and when it gets to the bottom it looks to see if its over your PCT. If so award complete. If not it will go back thru within your preferences and try every combination to award a schedule. If no luck then it wipes your schedule and moves to next bidsheet.
10-13-2014 | 07:58 AM
#7753
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Nevets, if you think the jargon of Flightline is confusing wait until they try to teach you about the "splat line", "constrained/restricted group", "variable averaging", and "convergent optimization" (which McPickle can't even explain).
10-13-2014 | 09:49 AM
#7754
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From: 320A
Line bidding is way easier then that. We should just use that....
10-13-2014 | 11:19 AM
#7756
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From: EMB 145 CPT
What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
The window is where your line will be awarded. You can set your own threshold "PCT" wherever you want inside the window. If you set your PCT to 60 it will automatically set your PCT to whatever the lowest part of the window ends up being. The window will often decrease an hour or 2 while the awards are being run so by setting 60 you are always on the bottom of the window. The window is 30 hours so it is usually somewhere between 70-110ish.
The TLV (threshold line value) means almost nothing if you set your own PCT. The system will work its way through your bidsheet and when it gets to the bottom it looks to see if its over your PCT. If so award complete. If not it will go back thru within your preferences and try every combination to award a schedule. If no luck then it wipes your schedule and moves to next bidsheet.
The TLV (threshold line value) means almost nothing if you set your own PCT. The system will work its way through your bidsheet and when it gets to the bottom it looks to see if its over your PCT. If so award complete. If not it will go back thru within your preferences and try every combination to award a schedule. If no luck then it wipes your schedule and moves to next bidsheet.
You make it like plain English, yet there are people always asking how to questions. That's my only point.
Did you see me say anything about smartpref? I said PBS, without alluding to any system. Then someone tried to explain flight line. My point being, why can't they just write the software in plain English. Seems like people bid off the DOS prompt.
By the way, for anyone that's been using smartpref for more than a couple of months know what the splat line and restricted groups are. It's the same things we been using but with different names (line divisor or average line value and the globalized group or relief line pilots. Im sure the other terms are the same as something else that we already do.
But yeah, you are making my point about these PBS software programs. Why can't they just make them so we can bid in plain English?
Are you talking about the Instrument Flying Handbook? That's in plain English. Or are you talking about the TERPS, whose audience is approach designers? I should have complained to the FAA to get out of the tele-type era and be done with the onerous NOTAM system. Why do you ask?
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10-13-2014 | 03:21 PM
#7757
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From: 88 Gunner
Are you talking about the Instrument Flying Handbook? That's in plain English. Or are you talking about the TERPS, whose audience is approach designers? I should have complained to the FAA to get out of the tele-type era and be done with the onerous NOTAM system. Why do you ask?
FAA Instrument Procedures Handbook - MyPilotStore.com
I'm asking because your argument is ridiculous. Sure the flying was easier back when everything was VFR. Heck, there were old timers who were confused clueless when we first got RJs with FMS. Same thing with line bidding vs. PBS (any PBS system). Putting line bid may be easier. But once you learn a PBS system, it's not any harder. It may even be easier. You have to invest time to learn new way of doing things to make your life easier. Your argument sounds awful a lot like an old pilot at an EAA Saturday breakfast who says "I never bothered with that instrument stuff. Too much stuff to learn."
10-13-2014 | 05:31 PM
#7758
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I'm asking because your argument is ridiculous. Sure the flying was easier back when everything was VFR. Heck, there were old timers who were confused clueless when we first got RJs with FMS. Same thing with line bidding vs. PBS (any PBS system). Putting line bid may be easier. But once you learn a PBS system, it's not any harder. It may even be easier. You have to invest time to learn new way of doing things to make your life easier. Your argument sounds awful a lot like an old pilot at an EAA Saturday breakfast who says "I never bothered with that instrument stuff. Too much stuff to learn."
Love the response!
10-13-2014 | 06:35 PM
#7759
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From: EMB 145 CPT
Neither.
FAA Instrument Procedures Handbook - MyPilotStore.com
I'm asking because your argument is ridiculous. Sure the flying was easier back when everything was VFR. Heck, there were old timers who were confused clueless when we first got RJs with FMS. Same thing with line bidding vs. PBS (any PBS system). Putting line bid may be easier. But once you learn a PBS system, it's not any harder. It may even be easier. You have to invest time to learn new way of doing things to make your life easier. Your argument sounds awful a lot like an old pilot at an EAA Saturday breakfast who says "I never bothered with that instrument stuff. Too much stuff to learn."
FAA Instrument Procedures Handbook - MyPilotStore.com
I'm asking because your argument is ridiculous. Sure the flying was easier back when everything was VFR. Heck, there were old timers who were confused clueless when we first got RJs with FMS. Same thing with line bidding vs. PBS (any PBS system). Putting line bid may be easier. But once you learn a PBS system, it's not any harder. It may even be easier. You have to invest time to learn new way of doing things to make your life easier. Your argument sounds awful a lot like an old pilot at an EAA Saturday breakfast who says "I never bothered with that instrument stuff. Too much stuff to learn."
Thanks for making my point. That book is written in complete, cohesive, English. It's not like we are talking about DOS here. We have apps for everything that are intuitive. Yet we are stuck with people having to ask how to get a line awarded! When is the last time flight line was revised to make it easier for the user to interface with it, you know, so you can simply put a bid in in simple English? It's not a ridiculous point at all? Wouldn't you want it in plain English so that its more intuitive to bid? I think it's ridiculous that you wouldn't want it better! And that's all I'm saying, why can't these PBS software programs have a better interface? If you really are against that, then you sound like those pilots that don't like any change because it makes them uncomfortable, you know, like those people who didn't want to use the Fms.
10-13-2014 | 07:35 PM
#7760
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From: 88 Gunner
Thanks for making my point. That book is written in complete, cohesive, English. It's not like we are talking about DOS here. We have apps for everything that are intuitive. Yet we are stuck with people having to ask how to get a line awarded! When is the last time flight line was revised to make it easier for the user to interface with it, you know, so you can simply put a bid in in simple English? It's not a ridiculous point at all? Wouldn't you want it in plain English so that its more intuitive to bid? I think it's ridiculous that you wouldn't want it better! And that's all I'm saying, why can't these PBS software programs have a better interface? If you really are against that, then you sound like those pilots that don't like any change because it makes them uncomfortable, you know, like those people who didn't want to use the Fms.
Besides, terms such as credit window, TLV are widely used term across many different PBS bidding systems. Unless you think you can stay with 1960s relic line bidding system forever, you may have to learn those big words.
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