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01-06-2015, 12:14 AM
#8421
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Originally Posted by Pilottim79
Well, it is a pay raise as you get 43/hr right seat and 66/hr left seat. You would fly a lot left seat. Sure there are inherent risk, but what really does a regional FO at like Endeavor or Envoy have to lose?
01-06-2015, 12:15 AM
#8422
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also that TSA gig. there is no guarantee of PIC time. and its a blended rate 43/hour total. there is no 66 for PIC and 23 for FO. So i'd keep same pay I have now, except way worse work rules. reserve. being treated like crap. for maybe 10-15 hours PIC, who knows. maybe even downgraded to permanent FO when their own FOs get the time to upgrade
01-06-2015, 03:46 AM
#8423
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Originally Posted by dfwflyboy
also that TSA gig. there is no guarantee of PIC time. and its a blended rate 43/hour total. there is no 66 for PIC and 23 for FO. So i'd keep same pay I have now, except way worse work rules. reserve. being treated like crap. for maybe 10-15 hours PIC, who knows. maybe even downgraded to permanent FO when their own FOs get the time to upgrade
01-06-2015, 05:04 AM
#8424
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Joined APC: Dec 2013
Posts: 1,059
Originally Posted by flyingreasemnky
The blended rate is only in the right seat and it's captain pay in the left. So $43.42 in the right and $62 in the left. The blended rate comes from the average between the FO pay step and the CA pay step. So second year it would be $50.60 in the right and $65 in the left seat. No matter what you will always receive the blended rate even if you never sit in the left seat. This is a contractual thing from the Trans States CBA so they can't change it on a whim. Even if the legacies start hiring FOs in large numbers soon, why would they hire and FO over someone with even 200 121 TPIC?
They are hiring guys with 0 121 TPiC over guys with thousands of hours of it. That 1000 TPIC gets you a couple extra points but doesn't really mean much in the way of getting lucky and getting called to interview.
01-06-2015, 05:13 AM
#8425
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Originally Posted by Firsttimeflyer
They are hiring guys with 0 121 TPiC over guys with thousands of hours of it. That 1000 TPIC gets you a couple extra points but doesn't really mean much in the way of getting lucky and getting called to interview.
01-06-2015, 05:33 AM
#8426
Stuck Mic
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
So, you'd turn down a job for $25,000 more a year because you might win the lottery even though that job might give you better odds in the lottery?
If you would like me to expand and let you know my personal opinion, I would go for QOL before anything. If you have a great schedule, live in base, and are obviously managing to survive at current pay and feel you have job security, then stick it out.
If your QOL would improve by changing airlines/careers etc, then by all means go for it. If you can get paid more, have a shorter or no commute, get TPIC time or just change a change of pace to feel like something positive is happening then by all means make the jump.
What works for one person is not going to work for others. It's all personal choice.
01-06-2015, 05:37 AM
#8427
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Originally Posted by Firsttimeflyer
Where in my quote did I say that? Please show me exactly where I said anything even remotely referencing that. I pointed out they are hiring without the magical TPIC, nothing else.
If you would like me to expand and let you know my personal opinion, I would go for QOL before anything. If you have a great schedule, live in base, and are obviously managing to survive at current pay and feel you have job security, then stick it out.
If your QOL would improve by changing airlines/careers etc, then by all means go for it. If you can get paid more, have a shorter or no commute, get TPIC time or just change a change of pace to feel like something positive is happening then by all means make the jump.
If you would like me to expand and let you know my personal opinion, I would go for QOL before anything. If you have a great schedule, live in base, and are obviously managing to survive at current pay and feel you have job security, then stick it out.
If your QOL would improve by changing airlines/careers etc, then by all means go for it. If you can get paid more, have a shorter or no commute, get TPIC time or just change a change of pace to feel like something positive is happening then by all means make the jump.
Relax man. Point, counter-point. Learn how to have a discussion without taking it personal. I quoted you because I wanted to address what you said while address things that had been talked about in the previous page.
01-06-2015, 06:53 AM
#8428
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Originally Posted by flyingreasemnky
if the legacies start hiring FOs in large numbers soon, why would they hire and FO over someone with even 200 121 TPIC?
I know enough legacy new hires to know that's totally false. And would also, if true, show very poor judgment of said airline.
01-06-2015, 07:12 AM
#8429
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Originally Posted by Airway
You think a recruiter would value a 2 year 121 pilot with 2000TT with a couple hundred of fresh TPIC because he/she was "lucky" over a 7-9 year FO at a respected carrier with 5-7000 hours of TSIC?
I know enough legacy new hires to know that's totally false. And would also, if true, show very poor judgment of said airline.
I know enough legacy new hires to know that's totally false. And would also, if true, show very poor judgment of said airline.
01-06-2015, 07:55 AM
#8430
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Position: 737 Left
Posts: 1,825
CBreezy is probably correct. Additionally, I've heard that the sweet spot for Civilian pilots is around 7000-8000 hours, so the aforementioned 2000tt lucky 121 PIC pilot doesn't really have a chance at a major yet.
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