AtlCSIP

Remember, hourly wages aren't everything. However, if the work rules are good, I would probably vote for that pay scale too.

block30

Holy crap, that can't be real. Proof or it ain't true.

PeezDog

Was that conference call recorded ?

PeezDog

Now with this Envoy contract voted in and all the others who took a concession, any chance of us getting any real gains just went right out the window. So while pilots who took concessions, for whatever reasons, screwed the rest of us, the Unions are just as much to blame. We can blame the pilots all we want, but ALPA shares in on the blame as well. I think in our particular situation, both our MECs have done us more harm then good. We're approaching 4.5 years of contract negotiations without much progress. Yes, there was a TA, but we all know how that went, and now we are fighting over PBS again. The longer we delay our contact, the more it has hurt us. Had the MECs worked together in a professional, timely, and efficient way instead of acting like 5 year olds, then there wouldn't have been so much time for other airlines to vote in concessionary contracts. So now here we are with out much, if any, leverage. Had they stopped acting like children, we could have gotten a better contract, held the line or maybe even raised the bar; instead we stuck here with no clear view of what gains, if any, we can now possibly leverage. I for one, my patience is at an end with ALPA and both our unions. If there's not a TA soon, I'd love to vote every single one of your asses out. I hope the ERJ would agree with me. You fools are costing us, and every other pilot in the industry.

Captain Tony

Please run for office when you do.

TheFly

^Post of the year.

dfwflyboy

Yes. I figure that's fair enough. We ARE a regional. So I would expect wages less than mainline and just under LCC. You'd be surprised how many would NOT leave.

dfwflyboy

I agree. However I don't know the financials other than skywest Inc having billions in cash. But if wages like those were to go Into effect. I think we would monopolize the new hires. WHICH would force mainline to give us flying back at ANY rate we choose. When others can't staff and lose FOs. We'd hold all the cards. Monopolize the regional industry. Manifest destiny!!!!!

SpeedyVagabond

The theee US/AA wholly owned carriers just ensured all the rest of us will never get wages up to that point. Think about that next time they want a ride up front.

wmupilot85

Oh yeah, I'd be willing to work under the existing work rules that we have now, even giving up vacation low to obtain those rates. I could afford to pay $500 to drop a trip to make it vacation low then. But then again, we're paid so little now, that I still work my butt off on vacation months (on vacation right now, and still at 116 hrs for the month).