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12-26-2014, 12:43 PM
#8341
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Posts: 504
Originally Posted by Nevets
Then they are indentured servants. There is no way around that. If you vote in concessions just to supposedly save your job, then you are what you are. But if you are really that senior, then there is less excuse to not have a plan b! Even if its to save for a 12 month emergency fund.
I mean take a 10K paycut over the next 10 years or apply as FO at PSA at 55. Seriously man I don't think you grasp the situation 75 % of the CAs at Envoy are in.
12-26-2014, 12:50 PM
#8342
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
Originally Posted by Pilottim79
Yeah, that 30 year Captain who only has 10-15 years left in the industry should totally have a plan B and be ready and willing to change careers or start all over again somewhere else. It is totally his fault for not being prepared and being stuck in a broken system he can't change or control.
I mean take a 10K paycut over the next 10 years or apply as FO at PSA at 55. Seriously man I don't think you grasp the situation 75 % of the CAs at Envoy are in.
I mean take a 10K paycut over the next 10 years or apply as FO at PSA at 55. Seriously man I don't think you grasp the situation 75 % of the CAs at Envoy are in.
Whatever, somehow the captains at pan am and eastern made it work.
12-26-2014, 02:37 PM
#8343
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Posts: 532
Originally Posted by Nevets
No, I don't think you understand what I'm saying. Everyone, regardless of where they are, should have a plan b. What will that 30 year captain do if his company doesn't exist tomorrow? That 30 year captain, at the minimum, should have been saving for an emergency fund, especially in this industry. If you rely on others (your company), then you are not doing yourself any justice.
Whatever, somehow the captains at pan am and eastern made it work.
Whatever, somehow the captains at pan am and eastern made it work.
12-26-2014, 03:31 PM
#8344
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: CRJ200 Capt.
Posts: 822
Nevets, you can have a plan B and still not want to end the current good gig you have. I have had a plan B, but I would be nuts to want to end what I have now. Why do you ignore that part of the equation?
12-26-2014, 03:56 PM
#8345
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Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
Originally Posted by Whiplash6
Everyone, no matter what profession, should be saving for the future, pal. That doesn't mean you vote line-bidding over plan A.
Originally Posted by JoeMerchant
Nevets, you can have a plan B and still not want to end the current good gig you have. I have had a plan B, but I would be nuts to want to end what I have now. Why do you ignore that part of the equation?
12-26-2014, 04:16 PM
#8346
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Position: CRJ200 Capt.
Posts: 822
Originally Posted by Nevets
Not ignoring that at all. I live it. I voted no to change my current contract. You voted yes to change your contract. So you are saying you are nuts for ending good gig since you voted to end what you have now.
12-26-2014, 04:26 PM
#8347
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Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
Originally Posted by JoeMerchant
It wouldn't have ended. It still would be a good gig. I would still have made a very good living with lot's of time off doing something I love. I have a plan B, but it isn't as good as this job. So again, why would someone want to give that up? I don't think of my job as "indentured servitude". If I did, I would proceed to my plan B.
12-26-2014, 04:41 PM
#8348
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Position: CRJ200 Capt.
Posts: 822
Originally Posted by Nevets
Of course you don't. You have a plan b. But for those who don't have a plan b, they don't have our luxury. Sure, my plan b, as of right now, may not be as good as plan a, but that gives me the ability to judge things on their merit rather than on fear of losing my job. That's my only point.
12-26-2014, 05:42 PM
#8349
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Joined APC: Jan 2009
Position: 737 Left
Posts: 1,825
Originally Posted by Nevets
Of course you don't. You have a plan b. But for those who don't have a plan b, they don't have our luxury. Sure, my plan b, as of right now, may not be as good as plan a, but that gives me the ability to judge things on their merit rather than on fear of losing my job. That's my only point.
12-26-2014, 06:08 PM
#8350
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Position: EMB 145 CPT
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Originally Posted by JoeMerchant
I have a plan B and I still fear losing my job. It simply isn't as bad a job as you make it out to be. That's why all these carriers end up voting to live another day... Just as you did with your concessions in 2008. Fear plus carrots equal a passing vote... Plan B not withstanding...
Originally Posted by AtlCSIP
I have a plan be as well. It would pay double what this job pays. This job is better (QOL. It's not all about the money), which makes the choice difficult. I like my job, and barring a call from Delta, would like to continue doing it, although not enough to vote for a pay cut.
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