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09-14-2014 | 07:39 AM

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Captain Tony

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Originally Posted by Firsttimeflyer

Dangle a little carrot and the rabbits jump for a while!

Only someone without the big picture would see it that way.

09-14-2014 | 07:44 AM

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flyguy94

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Originally Posted by Captain Tony

And it's funny how your side can meet all your goals, yet every ERJ that takes off still loses money.

They admitted on the conference call that even with a new contract the ERJ side would still lose money. You make it sound as if this is the pilots fault. Classy.

09-14-2014 | 08:09 AM

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Captain Tony

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Originally Posted by flyguy94

You make it sound as if this is the pilots fault. Classy.

The only person who said that is you. I never said it's the pilots' fault. Don't put words into my mouth in your desperate attempt to "be right". You act just like your reps. What's with all the Jedi mind games over there?

09-14-2014 | 08:34 AM

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air101

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Originally Posted by Captain Tony

They clearly haven't paid close enough attention to the whole Envoy situation... it's great that they want to hold the line, as long as they are okay with being unemployed as a result.

09-14-2014 | 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Wynncore

If we're getting new airframes why would they come from 9E? Is 9E literally imploding upon itself? The rumors indicate that they are having a huge problem staffing...but honestly, I want proof in the form of a 9E seniority list from 1/2014 to the most recent one showing
A: Attrition and B: New hire classes for me to fully believe their staffing debacle.

I hope that if any new airframes come to L-ASA that it is not at the cost of another pilot group.

As of Jan 10, 2014 the most junior pilot at 9E had a seniority number 2033. As of two days ago the most junior pilot had a seniority number of 1722. That's an average attrition of about 39 pilots a month. Since Jan 10, only 27 new hires on the list. 9E is bleeding when it comes to staffing and nothing seems to be stopping it. Management said we can keep as many 200s as we can staff but we cannot staff it. We parked the most 200s in any given month in August since the wind down began. 38 200s got completely refurbished interiors with hopes we'd fly them. I doubt that investment was done just to have them go to the desert. If we accelerate the parking of our 200s it just makes sense to fly those ASA could get those 38 airframes for the short term. I think DALs new plan long term could be to get rid of all 50 seaters despite how many are allowed by contract if all the DCIs can't get staff for them. Short term there is still need for them. Once again, purely speculative but to me it makes sense.

09-14-2014 | 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by air101

They clearly haven't paid close enough attention to the whole Envoy situation... it's great that they want to hold the line, as long as they are okay with being unemployed as a result.

I'm ASA and I'm willing to hold the line even if it means unemployment. If they can't pay me what I'm (and WE) are worth then close it all down. I'm not the least bit afraid of losing this dead end job.

09-14-2014 | 12:48 PM

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Speed Pilot

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I'm willing to end up unemployed. I can start working outside of aviation tomorrow. Can you Tony? Doubtful.

09-14-2014 | 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Speed Pilot

I'm willing to end up unemployed. I can start working outside of aviation tomorrow. Can you Tony? Doubtful.

I am certain all pilots could get a job at mcdonalds tomorrow if they really wanted to.

09-14-2014 | 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Wynncore

We're WAY overdue for some sort of good news, so I hope that this rumor of airframes is legit, Capt Tony seems to act as if it is. Other rumors that are "hot" right now are:

Hottest:

-Multiple people have told me they have "heard" that when several FO's have resigned recently, a certain CP (BH) has been quoted as saying "Are you sure you want to do this, you might regret it."

(CP's are just like LCA, they typically are not in the know whatsoever and find out news just as we all do, via an email. Not discounting BH at all, but I find it hard to believe that a CP would have any clue about potential airplanes or huge news.)

Far fetched, but gaining momentum:

-Expanded AA operation in DFW, perhaps E-175s?

(I consider this one highly unlikely since an E-175 program would have to be announced by Sept 30 for us to have ANY chance to be ready for Summer 2015. Not out of the question, but it's an entire new fleet type, and if certain Training Dept pilots were going to school on the
E-175, we would know by now.)

Extremely unlikely:

-Skywest needs help in LAX with their AA operation, perhaps L-ASA will lend a hand?

(Yes, I heard this...and like you I had to do a double take to it's absurdity.)

Titanic has a better chance of arriving in New York than the following:

-We will begin a flow with Fedex.
(I literally heard this in the DTW crew room and LOL'd as soon as I heard it. The nonsense people make up is mind blowing...and yes the CA who said this said it with a straight and ultra serious face.)

If we're getting new airframes why would they come from 9E? Is 9E literally imploding upon itself? The rumors indicate that they are having a huge problem staffing...but honestly, I want proof in the form of a 9E seniority list from 1/2014 to the most recent one showing
A: Attrition and B: New hire classes for me to fully believe their staffing debacle.

I hope that if any new airframes come to L-ASA that it is not at the cost of another pilot group.

I'm not going to post our seniority list, but I can tell you that the last union email concerning staffing said that we are at a net loss of over 300 pilots for the year.
"For the month of August, a total of 45 pilots resigned with the effective date of their resignations occurring in August (this total does not include pilots who have submitted their resignations in August, and whose last day will be later than August 31). That total includes 25 Captains (15 of whom are going to DAL) and 20 First Officers (none of whom are going to Delta). This brings the total number of resignations effective so far this year to 332 pilots (203 Captains and 129 First Officers)."

09-14-2014 | 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by air101

They clearly haven't paid close enough attention to the whole Envoy situation... it's great that they want to hold the line, as long as they are okay with being unemployed as a result.

Thank you for standing up for yourself and not buying into the whipsaw as the leaders of your union has. This profession needs more pilots like you. The ASA lifers will do anything to keep their jobs. They don't care that their FO's can't afford to feed a family and pay their debts, as long as they are taken care of. Air101 - we have paid attention and we know the risk involved. If Mesa or PSA gets our flying that's fine, at the end of the day who do you think the majors are going to hire? The majors are going to need the Mesa/PSA pilots to fly their shiny RJ's. I can see less of them getting hired at majors as a result.