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09-15-2014 | 05:59 AM
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NONE of those people require at least $40k+ in training to get their jobs. Also aside from teachers, most do not have a college degree. While it may be "industry leading" it's still a poo sandwich. Any contract that does not include a pay raise to compensate for inflation is a concession in my opinion.
09-15-2014 | 06:02 AM
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So I assume you are talking averages for salary since you mentioned 40k/year for our FOs. That is below police and teacher averages per year. The BLS reported in 2012 the median annual salary for patrol officers was $55,270. Average teacher salary as of September 2014 is $52,552. National Education Association reports an average national starting teacher salary of $36,141 in 2012/13. The average starting police pay is anywhere from $26,000-$49,000. I am not sure what you mean by other transportation workers but I'll just assume they make more too. I am not sure whether you were saying our FOs make more or less but I just wanted to add some numbers.
09-15-2014 | 06:11 AM
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Folks. Please realize that cap tony and joemerc are only on here to stir up controversy and animosity between pilot groups. Let them live in their bitter cockpit and the rest of us work together to better our contract goals. As I said earlier most of us are on the same page.
09-15-2014 | 06:15 AM
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Folks. Please realize that cap tony and joemerc are only on here to stir up controversy and animosity between pilot groups. Let them live in their bitter cockpit and the rest of us work together to better our contract goals. As I said earlier most of us are on the same page.
No, we're on here to respond to the hate, misinformation, and baseless attacks from the ERJ side. It seems to be a common trend over there to a.) refuse to admit when one is wrong, and b.) feel that compromise means start doing things your way. Then you guys come out with the Jedi mind tricks telling us we're the bad guys. Then you wonder why we're in an epic of a failed merger.
Fortunately, management knows which side is reasonable. So keep up the attacks. You're only hurting yourselves.
09-15-2014 | 06:23 AM
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I missed your admission of error on the pay rates.
No, we're on here to respond to the hate, misinformation, and baseless attacks from the ERJ side. It seems to be a common trend over there to a.) refuse to admit when one is wrong, and b.) feel that compromise means start doing things your way. Then you guys come out with the Jedi mind tricks telling us we're the bad guys. Then you wonder why we're in an epic of a failed merger.
Fortunately, management knows which side is reasonable. So keep up the attacks. You're only hurting yourselves.
No, we're on here to respond to the hate, misinformation, and baseless attacks from the ERJ side. It seems to be a common trend over there to a.) refuse to admit when one is wrong, and b.) feel that compromise means start doing things your way. Then you guys come out with the Jedi mind tricks telling us we're the bad guys. Then you wonder why we're in an epic of a failed merger.
Fortunately, management knows which side is reasonable. So keep up the attacks. You're only hurting yourselves.
09-15-2014 | 06:35 AM
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So do you know this for 100% fact? Have you been in the room where a company representative has blatantly said "we are looking for pay cuts" or are you just assuming that based "on the regional environment?"
Ok, so if the new TA (if we ever get one...) has pay cuts in it, we vote it down again, it's that simple.
09-15-2014 | 06:54 AM
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I'll throw out one. In my opinion, a regional FO should have no trouble pulling down $65,000 + a year. Will we see that ever? Probably not, but that's what I feel is fair for a 50 seat jet.
09-15-2014 | 07:11 AM
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I'm not saying that's unreasonable or unfair. I think it's both reasonable and fair. The question is how do we negotiate that in an environment where Envoy is losing planes to a PSA who entered into predatory bargaining, and endeavor took pay cuts with a gun to their heads. We are currently the industry leaders in compensation. (Yes, Hou757, I said COMPENSATION not "PAY" since you don't seem to understand the difference).
09-15-2014 | 07:41 AM
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So would that be 1st year or 2nd+? and it would correspond to a Captain rate of $91K+ with our 60% scheme.
I'm not saying that's unreasonable or unfair. I think it's both reasonable and fair. The question is how do we negotiate that in an environment where Envoy is losing planes to a PSA who entered into predatory bargaining, and endeavor took pay cuts with a gun to their heads. We are currently the industry leaders in compensation. (Yes, Hou757, I said COMPENSATION not "PAY" since you don't seem to understand the difference).
I'm not saying that's unreasonable or unfair. I think it's both reasonable and fair. The question is how do we negotiate that in an environment where Envoy is losing planes to a PSA who entered into predatory bargaining, and endeavor took pay cuts with a gun to their heads. We are currently the industry leaders in compensation. (Yes, Hou757, I said COMPENSATION not "PAY" since you don't seem to understand the difference).
Sad but true, we are the industry leader in re: to compensation and/or hourly rates. I believe that Air Wisconsin has higher rates than us on the -200, but yeah, for all intents and purposes we are industry leading. Year 8 FO on the -700 makes $46.98/hour...GoJet or Republic doesn't even hit $40 for flying the same equipment....let that set in for a moment...doesn't even hit $40 for a topped out FO...wow.
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