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09-16-2014 | 02:31 AM

#7371

xjtpilot

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Originally Posted by g-code

LTD is a goner.

Only if you vote YES, keep voting NO and it won't be!

09-16-2014 | 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Tony

So would that be 1st year or 2nd+? and it would correspond to a Captain rate of $91K+ with our 60% scheme.

I'm not saying that's unreasonable or unfair. I think it's both reasonable and fair. The question is how do we negotiate that in an environment where Envoy is losing planes to a PSA who entered into predatory bargaining, and endeavor took pay cuts with a gun to their heads. We are currently the industry leaders in compensation. (Yes, Hou757, I said COMPENSATION not "PAY" since you don't seem to understand the difference).

Well that's just the problem. Until ALL regional pilots stand united to demand higher pay and compensation, then we won't have the leverage to do that. Until the ability of the mainline carriers to whipsaw other regional airlines, which there are too many of, is taken away, we don't have the leverage.

09-16-2014 | 05:17 AM

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Truman_Sparks

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From: CRJ CA

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Originally Posted by somertime32

So I assume you are talking averages for salary since you mentioned 40k/year for our FOs. That is below police and teacher averages per year. The BLS reported in 2012 the median annual salary for patrol officers was $55,270. Average teacher salary as of September 2014 is $52,552. National Education Association reports an average national starting teacher salary of $36,141 in 2012/13. The average starting police pay is anywhere from $26,000-$49,000. I am not sure what you mean by other transportation workers but I'll just assume they make more too. I am not sure whether you were saying our FOs make more or less but I just wanted to add some numbers.

This is a flawed comparison.. You are comparing FO's (those at the beginning of this career, and at the lowest end of a pilots pay scale) to ALL teachers, beginning to tenured veterans. A teacher in his/her 15th year makes a lot more than a teacher in the first 1-4 years. (Sound familiar?) Same with police. A rookie in a small town makes $25-30k tops. A 25 year veteran detective pulls down 5-10 times that amount in a big city. We can't compare FO salarys to the entire scale average of other jobs. Most every job on earth starts at lower pay for the first few years than later in your career. Even the NFL has a rookie salary structure.

09-16-2014 | 05:20 AM

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Truman_Sparks

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From: CRJ CA

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Originally Posted by PeezDog

I'll throw out one. In my opinion, a regional FO should have no trouble pulling down $65,000 + a year. Will we see that ever? Probably not, but that's what I feel is fair for a 50 seat jet.

How can a regional pay that when most majors historically never started that high. (Why don't people complain when hired at USAirways/Continental about starting at roughly $30,000/year?) AirTran, Spirit, JetBlue, etc. don't even start that high.

09-16-2014 | 05:23 AM

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Truman_Sparks

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From: CRJ CA

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Originally Posted by xjtpilot

Only if you vote YES, keep voting NO and it won't be!

Incorrect. Keep voting no, and I assure you it will still be gone. As will every other item in your contract.

09-16-2014 | 05:48 AM

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somertime32

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At least all those people don't have to start over at the bottom of the pay scale if they move. Who and how should we compare our pay to?

09-16-2014 | 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by PeezDog

I'll throw out one. In my opinion, a regional FO should have no trouble pulling down $65,000 + a year. Will we see that ever? Probably not, but that's what I feel is fair for a 50 seat jet.

I guess people don't complain because there is actually a light at the other end of the tunnel with 2nd year pay.

09-16-2014 | 06:29 AM

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Squawk87

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From: PA34-200

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Originally Posted by Truman_Sparks

We can't compare FO salarys to the entire scale average of other jobs. Most every job on earth starts at lower pay for the first few years than later in your career. Even the NFL has a rookie salary structure.

I would of agreed with your statement back when FOs were hired with 250 TT. However, in today's environment it takes 2-3 years just to obtain the ATP minimums... 2-3 years of entry level position pay and then 2-3 more years at the regionals with compensation of entry level, that's .... If a job requires ATP license, it is no longer entry position job and the compensation should be as such!

I am not even speaking about the costs associated with obtaining all the licenses as compared to becoming a police officer or a teacher.

09-16-2014 | 06:34 AM

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Squawk87

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Originally Posted by somertime32

I guess people don't complain because there is actually a light at the other end of the tunnel with 2nd year pay.

Our FOs also see the light at the end of the tunnel, after 1st year of 21k gross pay, second year of 31k gross pay!!! Too bad that the light at the end of the tunnel is a train.

09-16-2014 | 06:37 AM

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Captain Tony

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Originally Posted by captlonestar

ASA line pilots - you have all the power. Start using it. You can vote anyone who thinks like this or supports this brand of "leadership" out of office. You need to get this guy and his cohorts far, far away from your NC or any union position. You can see clearly from is posts that he is a divider, a destroyer, and the furthest thing from a true leader.

There you go again. Why would the ASA pilots (who have "I want a divorce" stickers on all their bags) vote out people who are representing THEIR interests well in ensuring the company survives while bringing THEM contract improvements? You do realize we still have separate MECs... right? The ASA MEC represents the ASA pilots. You are not an ASA pilot. Go cry to your own MEC.