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Old 11-23-2013 | 12:40 PM
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Am I wrong, but didn't the union email mention that if it is voted down it then goes to mediation? I see no way that we would gain anything if that is the case.
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Old 11-23-2013 | 02:51 PM
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Guys, Please vote this garbage down. The longer you delay this new contract the better. After the first of the year you will have more leverage against the company and management obviously knows this.

Why pad the pockets of the pencil pushers when your out doing the work?
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Old 11-23-2013 | 02:59 PM
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When is the vote?
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Old 11-23-2013 | 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
This TA will keep us more expensive than Skywest pilots.
Most of the SkyWest agreement contains provisions that say "will not be less than ASA/XJT JCBA." They will most likely be on par with us whenever this or the next TA is ratified.

I think that is part of the reason for this concessionary TA: we are negotiating for not two pilot groups, but all 6000+ pilots under the SkyWest INC umbrella. The more concessions are extracted from us, the more they can cram down the SkyWest pilots' throats.
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Old 11-23-2013 | 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ross9238
Well Joe, maybe we should just work for free for the next 6-8 years till you retire. Those are costs associated with running the business. You are not there to make those decisions so why are you worrying about it? When is the last time the company actually saw you as an asset? What are you really worth Joe? I am not asking to making what mainline makes because I understand how this regional model works. I will be damned if I give up what I already have for no net gain back.
How did you get that out of what I was asking Ellen? She said labor costs are only a small portion of the expenses. I went to the 10Q and showed how that isn't true and simply asked her how she came to that conclusion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion...but not their own facts.

Why would I want to work for free? There is a huge difference between this TA and "working for free"....but then you know that....
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Old 11-23-2013 | 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by skigambia
Am I wrong, but didn't the union email mention that if it is voted down it then goes to mediation? I see no way that we would gain anything if that is the case.
I'm not fully aware of how all of this stuff works. Does this mean if we vote it down it we are only delaying the inevitable? Can we not just operate under the 2007 contract forever? Or is this thing we call "freedom" just a myth?
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Old 11-23-2013 | 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by afterburn81
I'm not fully aware of how all of this stuff works. Does this mean if we vote it down it we are only delaying the inevitable? Can we not just operate under the 2007 contract forever? Or is this thing we call "freedom" just a myth?
If we vote it down the negotiators from both sides will just go back to the table and try again. They used a mediator to come up with the TA so it makes sense that they would need a mediator to make changes in the event that it doesn't pass.
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Old 11-23-2013 | 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
This TA will keep us more expensive than Skywest pilots.
Most of the SkyWest agreement contains provisions that say "will not be less than ASA/XJT JCBA." They will most likely be on par with us whenever this or the next TA is ratified.

I think that is part of the reason for this concessionary TA: we are negotiating for not two pilot groups, but all 6000+ pilots under the SkyWest INC umbrella. The more concessions are extracted from us, the more they can cram down the SkyWest pilots' throats.
Yes, it takes a lot more leverage to negotiate gains in 401k matching and health benefits when you have 3000 more pilots that will cost the company even more.

Anyway, I'm just relaying information given to me at the XJT MEC meeting. This TA is more expensive than Skywest pilots pay and work rules.
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Old 11-24-2013 | 04:39 AM
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Bye bye GDOs....hello no vote!
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Old 11-24-2013 | 05:05 AM
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Bye bye GDOs....hello no vote!
Wait.... No GDO's....At all??
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