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No Lies 12-18-2016 10:56 AM


Originally Posted by Hou757 (Post 2265140)
For those worrying about furloughs (which I understand) take a look at how many planes we have parked on the ERJ side and have not had to furlough one pilot. With attrition I would assume no furloughs on the ASA side.

Ok. Lets look at the numbers of what the ERJ side parked and compare. A little bit of difference between 27 planes getting parked in a year compared to the 46 CRJ's that are getting parked. In fast round numbers, you are talking about 200 extra pilots that will not have planes to fly.

Hows that CPP program working on the L-ASA side?

newarkblows 12-18-2016 11:39 AM


Originally Posted by No Lies (Post 2265157)
Ok. Lets look at the numbers of what the ERJ side parked and compare. A little bit of difference between 27 planes getting parked in a year compared to the 46 CRJ's that are getting parked. In fast round numbers, you are talking about 200 extra pilots that will not have planes to fly.

Hows that CPP program working on the L-ASA side?

I think a lot of the Crj side thought they were sitting pretty for a few more years and weren't actively full court pressing to get hired elsewhere. I think you are going to see attrition go through the roof but the real losers will be the senior FOs who want to stay and CA's under 14 yrs seniority who will probably be reserve or back in the right seat. The erj side has been scrambling out the door for 3 years now. 40+ people were leaving the erj side monthly and I think you are going to see that be outpaced by the crj side. With the opportunities that are out there right now you could realistically be left seat at another regional making 75 grand within a year (piedmont, commutair, etc). LCC's, cargo, and delta are still looking to hire big numbers as well. 200 pilots with no airplanes to fly will be corrected within 4 months of attrition and will probably be mitigated with leaves of absences and reduced flying lines.

A furlough won't happen when pilots are in such demand but your junior fo's need a reason not to abandon ship. You will have a Comair scenario before too long. Imagine two guys sitting in a plane at the top of the pay scale, *****ing about a PBS software that doesn't matter, and blaming every one else for their predicament.

Hou757 12-18-2016 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by No Lies (Post 2265157)
Ok. Lets look at the numbers of what the ERJ side parked and compare. A little bit of difference between 27 planes getting parked in a year compared to the 46 CRJ's that are getting parked. In fast round numbers, you are talking about 200 extra pilots that will not have planes to fly.

Hows that CPP program working on the L-ASA side?

You have to be clueless. We've parked far more than 27 a year on the ERJ side (all w/out the CPP) as you suggest. ASA is also gaining 12 700's to fly for American so you can deduct that from the 46a/c. I highly doubt there will be any furloughs. They also have high attrition.

AboveMins 12-18-2016 12:04 PM


Originally Posted by BeechPilot33 (Post 2265147)
We need good 145 guys at Piedmont if anyone is interested. Opportunities for check airman and junior upgrade is 4 months on property. PM if you need a rec. SIM partner was XJet heard all about the **** going on but he is glad he made the switch.

I'd rather leave the industry all together than start over at another regional.

No Lies 12-18-2016 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by Hou757 (Post 2265188)
You have to be clueless. We've parked far more than 27 a year on the ERJ side (all w/out the CPP) as you suggest. ASA is also gaining 12 700's to fly for American so you can deduct that from the 46a/c. I highly doubt there will be any furloughs. They also have high attrition.

In case you did not know :) There is a site that has all that info of when the planes are getting parked. Here is the link to Dec 2015 with the numbers of 78 XR's, 89 LR's, and 5 135's flying under the UA brand for a total of 172 UA planes flying under the XJT CPA. You will have to read the next few entries to get the correct numbers for Dec 2015.

Parked Aircraft - Page 55

Here is the next link that states that the Total fleet count is: 147 UA livery flying under the XJT name.

53 XR
5 135
89 LR

Parked Aircraft - Page 82

Forgot to add. 46-12=34 planes that will be lost. That's why I said about 200 pilots and not 400.

You poor silly soul. You are always right except when you are proven wrong.

Hou757 12-18-2016 01:23 PM

Hey No Clue.. My point is we have parked/transferred well over 100 a/c on the ERJ side with no furloughs and are still understaffed. There was even one year we parked over 50 a/c. All this was before anyone left for the CPP. As much as I hate to see this happening to the ASA side I believe they will not furlough.

No Lies 12-18-2016 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by Hou757 (Post 2265243)
Hey No Clue.. My point is we have parked/transferred well over 100 a/c on the ERJ side with no furloughs and are still understaffed. There was even one year we parked over 50 a/c. All this was before anyone left for the CPP. As much as I hate to see this happening to the ASA side I believe they will not furlough.

You do know that your credibility went out the window just a little over a month ago when you stated Skywest never said they were parking 50 seat aircraft.


Originally Posted by Hou757 (Post 2237442)
Please show us where Skywest said that! They've actually stated the opposite quite frequently.


gzsg 12-18-2016 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2262661)
Scope is locked at Delta for at least 20 years, this is it, there is no more room for expansion in the regionals with US carriers. If there is any expansion, it will be with NAI type carriers.

I disagree. IMO DALPA will grant 50 more 76 seat jets via side letter. The cost to management will exceed $300 million in annual gains for the Delta pilots.

GuppyNG 12-18-2016 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by No Lies (Post 2265146)
1. All
2. ?
3. All parked in 2017.

All parked in 2017? Quit telling lies.

Dingus 12-18-2016 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by GuppyNG (Post 2265268)
All parked in 2017? Quit telling lies.

My understanding from the company internal update was that all of them will be coming off in 2017. The majority in late 2017. Not trying to spread a misnomer, but that was my understanding.


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