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I hear the bad stuff about XJT all the time.
Sonebody tell me good things. I know people are still going there. They see something most are overlooking.

How's the United CPP working?
What's the future like?
Are the ERJ aircraft staying for a long time?
Is IAH base staying?
What's good?

PS...I'm referring to L-XJT (UAX E135/E145/E145XR)

You made a new thread for this? All these questions can be answered in the other post.

How's the United CPP working? Slower then molasses
What's the future like? Bleak
Are the ERJ aircraft staying for a long time? 2 years maybe more, but who knows
Is IAH base staying? time will tell
What's good? Work rules

So what have they put out internally about the 200 going away?? This represents 460~ pilots. Not good...

Why is XJT getting rid of the 200's and Endeavor is planning on an Atlanta base with....Wait for it.............................Crj200's.

So fast foward to 2018. And XJT could be just CRJ 700/900's. Thats 61 airplanes 600~ pilots. (Currently 2600~?). Seems they don't want to have anything to do with the E145 product or CRJ200's

I nominate these three quotes for the Joke of the Year, 2016 award. The rearranging of all the deck chairs on the Titanic won't change the wind down that Inc. has had planned for us since day one. Maybe they'll offer us preferential interviews at mainline Skywest when we're all out on the street.

From my perspective (15+ year captain) this is just more restructuring which is typical of Delta. I think the Delta side could see more dual class a/c. If you want to live in a Delta base as a regional pilot, plan on many changes in fleet count and base size.
As for the ERJ side, only the top level execs of Skywest/Expressjet know what the long range plan is. It will be reduced to around 100 a/c by the end of 2017, with expected further reductions in 2018. No current talk of dual class a/c for the ERJ side. Pretty gloomy picture for both sides to be honest.
One other factor to consider: the Expressjet pilots will be entering negotiations for another try at a new contract in Oct 2017. Over the next year you will hear alot of doom and gloom and expectation management from our company leadership teams (Skywest and Expressjet). Every message from our leadership has some sort of expectation management in it. Don't expect much if any good news over the next year.

The company comments about continuing long-term are a ruse. Once they are rid of the -200s they will start transferring-700s to SKYW. Inc has no intention of sustaining xjt long-term.

How do you see more dual class aircraft at Delta? They are scoped out.

Good point. I don't know the current numbers to be honest.

Another good point. I was showing my optimistic viewpoint. I agree with your last sentence unfortunately.

The delivery of the Skywest 175's will take the large RJ's up to or within single digits of the 325 large RJ cap, as far I know.

I think almost every Major is "scoped out" with current orders.. XJT's best hope is in 2019+ that something changes.. but not likely. They will be small enough to fold in SkyWest without much effort by then.. ive heard SkyWest say the cost to get the 175 on property was over 2x what they budgeted.. doubtful they would spend that again to get a program for XJT with majors scope issues..

I think Delta's scope grows with the number of small narrow body aircraft they add. If they start operating the
C-series it will allow more large RJs up to an overall cap, not sure on the numbers though.

Scope Changes
 

Does anyone know the current scope at Delta as of the latest contract? I know management proposed relaxing it in September, but did not hear the result in the recently signed C16. Last I heard was 125 fifty sweaters and 223 dual class below 86,000.

No scope change.. not sure if they get C series how that effects it..

Thanks.

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It does not, that was exclusive to the 717 deal.

Looks like 450 total DCI
105 50 seats
102 70 seats
223 70-76seats

Not sure which category the extra 20 can be

Nice find, Happy. Appreciate the research.


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Scope is locked at Delta for at least 20 years, this is it, there is no more room for expansion in the regionals with US carriers. If there is any expansion, it will be with NAI type carriers.

I was under the impression (from reading on the Delta contract negotiations) that the current 50 seat limit is 125. Which adding 325 large RJs to 125 50 seat, you get 450.

And yet there are still those that want to say SkyWest is going to keep the 50 seat planes.

Or this one in response to me stating skywest was getting out of the 50 seat market.

If you saw the opposite quite frequently, then maybe you should stop reading the company propaganda and start reading the share holder info instead.

How much bigger does the writing on the wall have to be for you people. And before everyone jumps on me again for bragging, I'm not. I am just trying to warn those looking at or working at XJT. XJT was a great airline until SkyWest screwed it up.

I still work at this place, been telling people for the last two years we would shut down in 5 years. Looks like I'm right. Just 3 more years and we are gone. Looking to get out. Comair started out the same way. Saw that one coming but the Comair guys ignored the writing on the wall. Same thing happing now and we still have nay Sayers. It's over. Read between the lines.

Hahahahaha. Screwed it up by keeping them out of bankruptcy? How was that branded flying going?

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Branded was abandoned in 2008. But it was the CPA Skywest negotiated with CAL in 2008 that made that flying unprofitable. So despite shuttering branded, XJT still lost money. And it's that same cpa that is still causing the unprofitableness on the ERJ side (the 2nd lowest clause Skywest negotiated with DAL for the ASA flying is the cause for that side).

Why are you assuming they would have been liquidated? Pinnacle, Mesaba, and Colgin fared pretty well in BK, compared to liquidation. XJT is being cannibalized right now which could easily end worse than a restructure.

No one knows what would have happened.. but one thing is for sure. There cards are stacked with the wrong aircraft..

I'd have rather faced bankruptcy than this slow death by a thousand cuts. Branded was actually doing fine, and would have been profitable ahead of schedule.

The branded flying lost millions, and how long has it been since a profit was made? 2003..2004?

The only place I hear about Endeavor opening a base in ATL is from XJT guys. Where are you getting this from? I've grilled the Endeavor guys and a number of them swear there is nothing in the pipeline for a base in ATL. I only ask because I live just outside of Atlanta and I'm in the process of filling out applications. I'd love to have an Atlanta Domacile but unfortunately XJT doesn't look like a viable option and all of Endeavor's other bases are horrible. I'm just tying to figure out if there is anyway to guess the chance of regional moving into ATL.

I was in a very similar position. Elected to apply, interview, get hired, and start at EDV. Haven't regretted one sliver of my decision. I will be commuting from a tough western market where seats are tight. PM me if you want to learn a little more about the process. Everyone I've been in contact with from corporate has said 2017 will be a great year...what that means at this point, who knows. It's been fun so far!

As an Endeavor guy (that started out rooming with Comair guys when I was first hired), I know your pain. Best bet is if you have even a few years left before retirement, get out early, don't be the junior Comair guys that rode that into the ground. All signs on this side have pointed to a short term take over of ATL 200 flying as SkyWest has no interest in continuing the 50 seat product anywhere. We are being told here that our 50 seaters are short term... likely gone by the end of 2018 for what it's worth.

So sad to see this place go down. I hate to say it but the guys with the doom and gloom were right all along. Sometimes the grumpy old timers have a point and guys are too stubborned to listen. Leaving and starting over is never easy but now it's almost like nobody has a choice.

RIP ASA.

with all the regional hiring going on, I have maybe seen XJT advertise for hiring like once maybe twice. Just on that alone you can see that SkyWest is winding it down for whatever reason. Maybe it will be to staff their own airline later. on the United side, openly admitting to that side of business staying in the red is also particularly gloomy. I would imagine that by mid 2018, xjt will be no more, and that the united side of things will be flown by you as a consolidated member of SkyWest. So, if you're there at xjt, especially as an FO, do not settle for anymore regional flying. I hope you move on to bigger carriers. Settle not, you're scoped out on paying dues.

SKYW is up 7% today. That shows a lot about what xjt is/was doing to their earnings.

Branded wasn't even around in 03 and 04. I believe that the quarter before we shut it down, Branded broke even. It was projected to lose money at first, as any airline does when they start up, but was well ahead of the curve to maintaining sustainability.

It shows how they were able to spin a story. Contract airlines operate airplanes for hire. They announced that they won't be operating 40 airplanes for hire, and will receive 90 million. They did not announce how much revenue they will lose by not operating 40 airplanes.
It also tells me the lift will go to Endeavor not SKW since that would have been in the announcement.