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somertime32 12-18-2016 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by GuppyNG (Post 2265268)
All parked in 2017? Quit telling lies.

Unless this is sarcasm it is not a lie. All of our 200s will be gone by the end of next year.

Dingus 12-18-2016 02:42 PM


Originally Posted by No Lies (Post 2265146)
1. All
2. ?
3. All parked in 2017.

1. Right, how many is all? 37?
2. The reason I ask is I wonder if they're going to the desert or another airline.
3. Right, all in 2017, but is there a list of aircraft somewhere with the date they each die?

No Lies 12-18-2016 04:21 PM


Originally Posted by GuppyNG (Post 2265268)
All parked in 2017? Quit telling lies.

Since you have better info. How many CRJ 200 will still be on L-ASA's property on Jan 1, 2018?

HighFlight 12-18-2016 04:33 PM

According to the press release SKW put out, 46 from ASA.


Originally Posted by Dingus (Post 2265273)
1. Right, how many is all? 37?


Hou757 12-18-2016 05:05 PM


Originally Posted by No Lies (Post 2265260)
You do know that your credibility went out the window just a little over a month ago when you stated Skywest never said they were parking 50 seat aircraft.

Since you like to change the subject, you never showed me where they said that prior to this announcement.

No Lies 12-18-2016 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by Hou757 (Post 2265359)
Since you like to change the subject, you never showed me where they said that prior to this announcement.

Yep, that's changing the subject. I am not going to waste my time, if you are not going to waste your time. Where are those letters that said the opposite? Mine are inside the Q reports a couple of years back. I am just too lazy to look for them. It all depends when you show me the letters that you have that say "stated the opposite quite frequently".

Hou757 12-18-2016 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by No Lies (Post 2265397)
Yep, that's changing the subject. I am not going to waste my time, if you are not going to waste your time. Where are those letters that said the opposite? Mine are inside the Q reports a couple of years back. I am just too lazy to look for them. It all depends when you show me the letters that you have that say "stated the opposite quite frequently".

And mine are in many of the conference calls over the past years where they state they see plenty of viability in future 50 seat flying. Now go straighten up all those training problems at Commutair. I'm sure they love having you there as a company cheerleader.

wmupilot85 12-18-2016 07:29 PM


Originally Posted by HighFlight (Post 2265338)
According to the press release SKW put out, 46 from ASA.

49 total, but 12 are being replaced with dual class RJ's. So a total reduction of 37. 1 is also sticking around for at risk flying in DFW, which I don't believe is counted in that 49 total count. I'm not sure what will happen with the one that's painted in ExpressJet colors either. That may become the at risk airplane.

AtlCSIP 12-25-2016 06:03 AM


Originally Posted by wmupilot85 (Post 2265427)
49 total, but 12 are being replaced with dual class RJ's. So a total reduction of 37. 1 is also sticking around for at risk flying in DFW, which I don't believe is counted in that 49 total count. I'm not sure what will happen with the one that's painted in ExpressJet colors either. That may become the at risk airplane.

Will we not need to keep a spare for mx?

ThreeStripe 12-25-2016 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by Hou757 (Post 2265140)
For those worrying about furloughs (which I understand) take a look at how many planes we have parked on the ERJ side and have not had to furlough one pilot. With attrition I would assume no furloughs on the ASA side.

If they do decide to furlough, it will only exacerbate the pilot shortage. How many of us will not/can not start over? Perfectly good pilots will exit the industry if they can't get picked up by a major before getting the ax.

Flysafeeveryone 12-25-2016 10:23 PM

So what do we do now? I would rather go work at Hooters than go too an outfit like Mesa or one of the Hulas torture chambers. I here 37 planes gone on here but other people are saying over 100.

Dingus 12-26-2016 02:12 AM


Originally Posted by Flysafeeveryone (Post 2269574)
So what do we do now? I would rather go work at Hooters than go too an outfit like Mesa or one of the Hulas torture chambers. I here 37 planes gone on here but other people are saying over 100.

Just curious, do you meet the "eligibility" requirements to work at Hooters? :D

DirkDiggler 12-26-2016 03:32 AM

Not that this is new news, but I was talking to someone who has a "friend" under a NDA in ATL HQ and they solidified the fact that this place is done in 2017. Fleet size will start dropping dramatically in 2017 as it is currently scheduled to. Towards the end they're going to offer us the Skywest contract. If we don't take it then donezo. I say, hello unemployment line. Very reliable source on that.

ThreeStripe 12-26-2016 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by DirkDiggler (Post 2269599)
Not that this is new news, but I was talking to someone who has a "friend" under a NDA in ATL HQ and they solidified the fact that this place is done in 2017. Fleet size will start dropping dramatically in 2017 as it is currently scheduled to. Towards the end they're going to offer us the Skywest contract. If we don't take it then donezo. I say, hello unemployment line. Very reliable source on that.

I feel bad for the people in the GO and ATech who will be out of work. Also for the great bunch of guys in the training department. I learn a lot from those guys every year. Figures that the good regionals get dissolved while the ones that farm out their training are allowed to flourish.

wmupilot85 12-26-2016 11:38 PM


Originally Posted by DirkDiggler (Post 2269599)
Not that this is new news, but I was talking to someone who has a "friend" under a NDA in ATL HQ and they solidified the fact that this place is done in 2017. Fleet size will start dropping dramatically in 2017 as it is currently scheduled to. Towards the end they're going to offer us the Skywest contract. If we don't take it then donezo. I say, hello unemployment line. Very reliable source on that.

You should clarify...ERJ, CRJ, or both? Sounds like ERJ side only.

Flysafeeveryone 12-27-2016 12:15 AM


Originally Posted by Dingus (Post 2269590)
Just curious, do you meet the "eligibility" requirements to work at Hooters? :D

Go ahead, make fun of a guy's dreams!

For your information, when they turned me down at Chippendales, they told me they thought I would be perfect for Hooters.

DirkDiggler 12-27-2016 02:23 AM


Originally Posted by wmupilot85 (Post 2270007)
You should clarify...ERJ, CRJ, or both? Sounds like ERJ side only.

Scary thing is my source said both. CRJ side to shut 6 months after ERJ side.

sflpilot 12-27-2016 05:08 AM


Originally Posted by ThreeStripe (Post 2269545)
If they do decide to furlough, it will only exacerbate the pilot shortage. How many of us will not/can not start over? Perfectly good pilots will exit the industry if they can't get picked up by a major before getting the ax.

This is a living example of the importance of a college degree in something practical ie. not aviation. Unfortunately those that went to riddle, und and the like will probably be starting over at a regional.

idlethrust 12-27-2016 05:28 AM


Originally Posted by Flysafeeveryone (Post 2270009)
Go ahead, make fun of a guy's dreams!

For your information, when they turned me down at Chippendales, they told me they thought I would be perfect for Hooters.

Perfect for hooters? What size bra you you wear?? Has to be Double D or better ha,ha ha

MidLife 12-27-2016 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by idlethrust (Post 2270074)
Perfect for hooters? What size bra you you wear?? Has to be Double D or better ha,ha ha

Careful. Lots of ladies here too. Keep it polite.
Yours sincerely,
PC police

AtlCSIP 12-27-2016 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by DirkDiggler (Post 2270018)
Scary thing is my source said both. CRJ side to shut 6 months after ERJ side.

Wait a minute ..., I thought we were getting 717's!

bhmdiversion 12-27-2016 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by DirkDiggler (Post 2269599)
Not that this is new news, but I was talking to someone who has a "friend" under a NDA in ATL HQ and they solidified the fact that this place is done in 2017. Fleet size will start dropping dramatically in 2017 as it is currently scheduled to. Towards the end they're going to offer us the Skywest contract. If we don't take it then donezo. I say, hello unemployment line. Very reliable source on that.



Calling BS on this. The 200s are going away, but why would OO take on AA flying if we're closing the doors?


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amcnd 12-27-2016 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by bhmdiversion (Post 2270255)
Calling BS on this. The 200s are going away, but why would OO take on AA flying if we're closing the doors?


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How long is the XJT AA 700 deal? 2 years.??

Beast 12-27-2016 02:19 PM

And the lift will be done by whom?

Datsun 12-27-2016 03:36 PM


Originally Posted by Beast (Post 2270324)
And the lift will be done by whom?

Endeavor (DAL)
GoJet (DAL)
Skywest (DAL, AA)
Republic (DAL, AA)
Compass (DAL, AA)
TSA (AA)
Air Wisconsin (AA)
PSA (AA)
Piedmont (AA)
Envoy (AA)

armyflyer11 01-05-2017 01:05 PM

I've read all the comments concerning ExpressJet...does anyone think the company will be viable past 1/1/19? I heard yesterday the CPA with United was extended indefinitely as long as ExpressJet continues to operate. The projections seem to indicate that the ERJ side will continue to shrink until 101 airframes are reached, but with all of the ERJs on the United side, even that seems like a lot of 50 seaters...

amcnd 01-05-2017 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by armyflyer11 (Post 2275276)
I've read all the comments concerning ExpressJet...does anyone think the company will be viable past 1/1/19? I heard yesterday the CPA with United was extended indefinitely as long as ExpressJet continues to operate. The projections seem to indicate that the ERJ side will continue to shrink until 101 airframes are reached, but with all of the ERJs on the United side, even that seems like a lot of 50 seaters...

You realy think United signed a "indefinitely" contract.. at most it will be extended one year at a time. And moat likely for less airplanes each time.. heck of a way to plan your life... thats reality though..

TalkTurkey 01-06-2017 12:45 PM

Honest question. Why wait it out? Are there lots of benefits on spiraling to oblivion versus leaving now in droves? Honest

armyflyer11 01-07-2017 04:58 PM

I don't work there, I was asking as a prospective employee...things don't seem to be getting better, though, no doubt. Apparently, L-ASA union reps put out to start looking for work based off what someone else said on another thread. Still, the airline seems like it has a lot of great people, great performance, and excellent training.

AnchorDown 01-07-2017 05:05 PM

Sinking ship, get out, get out now.

AnchorDown

MidLife 01-13-2017 11:02 AM

at the risk of stating the obvious, isn't this just a case of a non-unionized carrier, SkyWest, killing the unionized side (ExpressJet) to pick off the lift from the carcass?

AboveMins 01-13-2017 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by MidLife (Post 2280590)
at the risk of stating the obvious, isn't this just a case of a non-unionized carrier, SkyWest, killing the unionized side (ExpressJet) to pick off the lift from the carcass?

Yes it is.

jcountry 01-13-2017 03:28 PM


Originally Posted by armyflyer11 (Post 2276688)
I don't work there, I was asking as a prospective employee...things don't seem to be getting better, though, no doubt. Apparently, L-ASA union reps put out to start looking for work based off what someone else said on another thread. Still, the airline seems like it has a lot of great people, great performance, and excellent training.



I'd definitely go elsewhere.

I sure can't think of any regional ever surviving after parking half it's fleet.

(You are right, there are a lot of great people, training is good etc. Doesn't change the likelihood that Skywest is gonna gut the place.)

701EV 01-13-2017 03:34 PM


Originally Posted by jcountry (Post 2280740)
I'd definitely go elsewhere.

I sure can't think of any regional ever surviving after parking half it's fleet.

(You are right, there are a lot of great people, training is good etc. Doesn't change the likelihood that Skywest is gonna gut the place.)


Have you ever looked at Air Wisconsin?

Look at how many planes they have.

Look at their contract.

Air Wisconsin has been hanging around of many years with just CRJ-200's

wmupilot85 01-13-2017 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by jcountry (Post 2280740)
I'd definitely go elsewhere.

I sure can't think of any regional ever surviving after parking half it's fleet.

(You are right, there are a lot of great people, training is good etc. Doesn't change the likelihood that Skywest is gonna gut the place.)

Not half, only about 1/3.

BeechPilot33 01-13-2017 04:54 PM


Originally Posted by 701EV (Post 2280746)
Have you ever looked at Air Wisconsin?

Look at how many planes they have.

Look at their contract.

Air Wisconsin has been hanging around of many years with just CRJ-200's

AWAC is losing pilots left and right. Their CP just came here to PDT.

HighFlight 01-13-2017 05:39 PM

39 airframes taken away from 282... don't think that's quite half.
(Using the airframe total here on APC; not sure if it's accurate)


Originally Posted by jcountry (Post 2280740)
I sure can't think of any regional ever surviving after parking half it's fleet.


animation 01-13-2017 05:46 PM


Originally Posted by HighFlight (Post 2280837)
39 airframes taken away from 282... don't think that's quite half.
(Using the airframe total here on APC; not sure if it's accurate)

As the CoEx golden child, XJT/ASA used to have 400+ airframes...

BeechedJet 01-13-2017 06:14 PM

Remember, XJT and ASA two different airlines that happen to share a name. There's no combined fleet, seniority list, contract, etc. Parked ERJ's have no impact on L-ASA and parked CRJ's have no impact on L-XJT.

jacburn 01-13-2017 07:18 PM


Originally Posted by HighFlight (Post 2280837)
39 airframes taken away from 282... don't think that's quite half.
(Using the airframe total here on APC; not sure if it's accurate)

The fleet count on the L-xjt side is currently 145 planes on property and about 5 planes getting parked a month right now.


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