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Nevjets 03-04-2017 10:34 AM

ExpressJet
 

Originally Posted by Bozo (Post 2313665)
What does the crystal ball say? Hmmmm.



1. I have not seen an actual statement in the SKYW INC 10K that the ERJs HAVE been extended to the end of 2018. Only that UAL MAY do

2 - 1 year extensions. I would think that there is a 12 month notification clause in the CPA that UAL must give to XJT, prior to the end of 2017, if they do not plan to exercise the extension clause. So could it be that XJT didn't get an extension but only a 12 month notification clause that will begin at the end of 2017?



2. AA going back to XJT for ERJs? Why. SKYW INC has approx 40 UAL 700s coming off line, UAL didn't want to extend them, and they need to find new homes so as they can pay the lease payments. That's what was done on the DAL flying in DTW. The report I heard was that the reason AA removed XE from flying was due to the XE mechs required that they do all mtc. AA wanted to keep the C and D checks in house. Mechs said no so bye bye.



IMO...AA upgraded the ASA CRJ flying from 200s to 700 in Dallas and in LA for SKYW. I would bet that they continue the dual class upgrading since AW is gone. 200s for 700s.



1. Page 11 of the 2016 Skywest Inc Annual report.

"During the year ended December 31, 2016, United exercised its right to extend the term for an additional 12‑month period for a certain number of aircraft until the end of 2018 intended to facilitate an orderly return of ERJ145 aircraft to United. Additionally, United has the right to extend the term for an additional 12‑month period for a certain number of aircraft upon 180 days written notice until the end of 2019."

So it seems as though there needs to be notification by July 2018 for the second of the one year extension.

2. Page 35 of the 2016 Skywest Inc Annual report.

"We are scheduled to have 49 CRJ700 aircraft in service with American by mid-2017. These 49 CRJ700 aircraft were previously operated in our existing fleet by other major airline partners."

They've already found homes for all of the UAL 700s. As for the mechs, yes, that's my understanding as well. It's in their scope clause that the xjt mechs do all the heavy maintenance but AA wants to outsource that work. It's the same issue that kept XJT from securing AA flying in 2008. Theoretically, they can come up with another short term deal (2 years) again. But I'm not holding my breadth.

Fix2fix 03-14-2017 07:12 PM

How's the reserve time in IAH? Would I be able to fly alot on reserve?

No Lies 03-14-2017 07:22 PM


Originally Posted by Fix2fix (Post 2320776)
How's the reserve time in IAH? Would I be able to fly alot on reserve?

Jr base is EWR. Plan on being there for a while. RSV in IAH is near 4 years once you get there.

Hou757 03-14-2017 07:25 PM


Originally Posted by Fix2fix (Post 2320776)
How's the reserve time in IAH? Would I be able to fly alot on reserve?

You will be flying quite a bit!!

andili61 03-15-2017 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by Fix2fix (Post 2320776)
How's the reserve time in IAH? Would I be able to fly alot on reserve?

Once you're hired, you'll be based in EWR. Once there, you need to initiate a bid via base trade to get Houston. When Halley's comet next perihelion comes, you might expect to get Houston. As soon as you get Houston, if you're still alive, make sure you make yourself available by having your status as "will fly"

No Lies 03-15-2017 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by Fix2fix (Post 2320776)
How's the reserve time in IAH? Would I be able to fly alot on reserve?

The only regional with a base in IAH that you would be able to hold in the near future would be Mesa. You would be better off commuting to DFW and getting on with an AA regional at this point.

Hou757 03-15-2017 09:04 AM


Originally Posted by Fix2fix (Post 2320776)
How's the reserve time in IAH? Would I be able to fly alot on reserve?

Most junior in Iah is 12/15 hire. If you live in or near Houston reserve is not as bad as commuting to another carrier.

Fix2fix 03-15-2017 10:42 AM

Awesome, thx for the info! Recruiters kept telling me IAH was maybe 3 months in to bid. If they're anything like my Air Force recruiter, I'll take it with a grain of salt. ��

No Lies 03-15-2017 12:05 PM


Originally Posted by Fix2fix (Post 2321162)
Awesome, thx for the info! Recruiters kept telling me IAH was maybe 3 months in to bid. If they're anything like my Air Force recruiter, I'll take it with a grain of salt. ��

They will also tell you that XJT is one of the highest paying regionals for their pilots. They forgot to include the fact that most other regionals have upgrades in 2 years or less and that puts pilots on the CA pay scale. Upgrade time at XJT is over 10 years and still growing.

Hou757 03-16-2017 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by Fix2fix (Post 2321162)
Awesome, thx for the info! Recruiters kept telling me IAH was maybe 3 months in to bid. If they're anything like my Air Force recruiter, I'll take it with a grain of salt. ��

I don't see 3 months happening but I do see the time to get Houston dropping as most of the United CPP folks are coming from Houston. That will create some movement. I would guess 4-8 months. Upgrade times should also begin to drop as the last of those 8 year guys/gals upgrade.

Everyone is having trouble staffing so you are getting in at a good time!

No Lies 03-16-2017 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by Hou757 (Post 2321829)
I don't see 3 months happening but I do see the time to get Houston dropping as most of the United CPP folks are coming from Houston. That will create some movement. I would guess 4-8 months. Upgrade times should also begin to drop as the last of those 8 year guys/gals upgrade.

Everyone is having trouble staffing so you are getting in at a good time!

8 Year Guys? XJT still has guys hired in 2007 that can't upgrade. 2017-2007 does not equal 8.

Not sure what CA's leaving would have to do with FO's in IAH either.

stanthecaddy 03-16-2017 10:36 AM

Seriously? People are still going to XJT? Does no one do any research?

Hou757 03-16-2017 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by No Lies (Post 2321888)
8 Year Guys? XJT still has guys hired in 2007 that can't upgrade. 2017-2007 does not equal 8.

Not sure what CA's leaving would have to do with FO's in IAH either.

As I recall those 2007 hires were out for 2 years on furlough. 10-2=8.

Since you no longer work here and are obviously a very bitter former XJT guy I think you really need to stick to trying to fix the problems at Commutair.

Whiplash6 03-16-2017 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by Hou757 (Post 2321909)
As I recall those 2007 hires were out for 2 years on furlough. 10-2=8.

Since you no longer work here and are obviously a very bitter former XJT guy I think you really need to stick to trying to fix the problems at Commutair.

Anyone still at XJT should be bitter.. what a water trash airline Skywest and the two unions have turned that place into.

No Lies 03-16-2017 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by Hou757 (Post 2321909)
As I recall those 2007 hires were out for 2 years on furlough. 10-2=8.

Since you no longer work here and are obviously a very bitter former XJT guy I think you really need to stick to trying to fix the problems at Commutair.

The only thing that I am bitter about are people that make up their own numbers and Lie just to protect themselves. Try telling the truth and you will not see me respond to your messages.

When people talk about upgrades, they do not change the years to make things look better just because they want to. That is misleading. Currently, the most JR CA at XJT was hired in 2007. That is not an 8 year upgrade.

XJT was a great airline before Skypest took it over. It now sucks due to planes being parked every other week. Closing bases over the last few years (half of them to be exact) and recruiters that fail to tell the whole truth about compensation.

As far as Commutair, they have turned the boat right side up again and we are running a completion factor in the high 90's and the training issues have been mostly fixed. How is the management at XJT doing on turning things around, besides a new mission statement thing?

Hou757 03-16-2017 11:11 AM


Originally Posted by No Lies (Post 2321942)
The only thing that I am bitter about are people that make up their own numbers and Lie just to protect themselves. Try telling the truth and you will not see me respond to your messages.

When people talk about upgrades, they do not change the years to make things look better just because they want to. That is misleading. Currently, the most JR CA at XJT was hired in 2007. That is not an 8 year upgrade.

XJT was a great airline before Skypest took it over. It now sucks due to planes being parked every other week. Closing bases over the last few years (half of them to be exact) and recruiters that fail to tell the whole truth about compensation.

As far as Commutair, they have turned the boat right side up again and we are running a completion factor in the high 90's and the training issues have been mostly fixed. How is the management at XJT doing on turning things around, besides a new mission statement thing?

Really? Show me where I lied? 10-2=8. Guess you use common core math.

No Lies 03-16-2017 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by Hou757 (Post 2321946)
Really? Show me where I lied? 10-2=8. Guess you use common core math.

So I guess the years 2009 and 2010 never took place? There was a time transport vehicle for the 347 that were furloughed and they just leaped right from 2008 to 2010? You are very good at not telling the whole truth.

If you want to tell me that the upgrade time will drop from 10 years to 8 years if and when they upgrade the last "U" employee, I might buy that, but that is not what you are saying. How many more guys are there that still have to upgrade before that happens? How many upgrades have occurred the last 6 months? Help people make an informed decision about working for XJT. I bet you can't and won't do it.

Hou757 03-16-2017 11:25 AM

Hey, I feel horrible for those that were out on furlough. However, their adjusted hire dates at the company say they have been on property for 8 years. Not fudging any math here. I don't deny upgrade is way too long here but that number will drop fairly soon. (in my opinion) No one knows the "final" number of aircraft that we will wind up with. It seems to be as many as we can staff. Lots of fluid numbers going around right now. Is this the perfect regional? No. But its also not a bad place to be to get the hours and move on.

No Lies 03-16-2017 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by Hou757 (Post 2321960)
But its also not a bad place to be to get the hours and move on.

Who long have you been employed by XJT?

Hou757 03-16-2017 11:32 AM


Originally Posted by No Lies (Post 2321962)
Who long have you been employed by XJT?

Over a decade! And yes I plan on moving on..

Nevjets 03-16-2017 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by Whiplash6 (Post 2321914)
Anyone still at XJT should be bitter.. what a water trash airline Skywest and the two unions have turned that place into.



The reason for XJT's predicaments is their money losing CPAs, which have absolutely NOTHING to do with ANY pilot on their seniority lists!

Whiplash6 03-16-2017 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by Nevjets (Post 2322022)
The reason for XJT's predicaments is their money losing CPAs, which have absolutely NOTHING to do with ANY pilot on their seniority lists!

Blame it on whatever you want that place is a vindictive, contagious, leaky pecker toxic disease.

SkipperBaloo 03-16-2017 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by Whiplash6 (Post 2322203)
Blame it on whatever you want that place is a vindictive, contagious, leaky pecker toxic disease.

Ahhh the "it doesn't matter how we got here" argument. That one never gets old lol

Whiplash6 03-16-2017 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by SkipperBaloo (Post 2322241)
Ahhh the "it doesn't matter how we got here" argument. That one never gets old lol

Maybe your problem is you prioritize finding someone or something to blame ahead of the viability of the basket in which you've stubbornly placed all your eggs, Skip. Your airline is dying.. But that's none of my business.

LostMedic 03-17-2017 12:22 AM

It's the regional game man. If you stay in one place too long the sands will shift and the top becomes the bottom. It's not the first time. If you name is not who sells the ticket your job is not that secure. I feel for you guys, it's almost like ComAir all over again. It will be no different anywhere I go, I just try to read the teal leaves as best I can.

It's not the pilot's fault at XJT or any other place. Your career is made or broken on a golf course by factors your don't really have control over. You could have the best preformance numbers in the world, unfortunately pride, greed, and favors count for a lot more.

Once again I wish you all the best, and there is really no pilots to blame for any of this. None of us need to beat each other down, it's more of a time to help those that need help.

fenix1 03-17-2017 01:23 AM

What is XJT's future in DFW? How many crews are based in DFW now?

No Lies 03-17-2017 06:38 AM


Originally Posted by fenix1 (Post 2322462)
What is XJT's future in DFW? How many crews are based in DFW now?

There are no L-XJT crews in DFW. That base is gone. If you want to know about the L-asa base of CRJ's that are at AA, then try asking on this thread:

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/r...-crj-side.html

Hou757 03-17-2017 07:09 AM


Originally Posted by No Lies (Post 2322559)
There are no L-XJT crews in DFW. That base is gone. If you want to know about the L-asa base of CRJ's that are at AA, then try asking on this thread:

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/r...-crj-side.html

So are you the "industry" expert? You no longer work here but like to jump in on every question? As I look through all the other regional boards I see you doing the same thing! Get a life dude!

Nevjets 03-17-2017 09:11 AM


Originally Posted by Whiplash6 (Post 2322348)
Maybe your problem is you prioritize finding someone or something to blame ahead of the viability of the basket in which you've stubbornly placed all your eggs, Skip. Your airline is dying.. But that's none of my business.



Wait a sec, it was you who began the blaming and included pilots as part of the blame!

No Lies 03-17-2017 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by Hou757 (Post 2322582)
So are you the "industry" expert? You no longer work here but like to jump in on every question? As I look through all the other regional boards I see you doing the same thing! Get a life dude!

That's funny. When I pull up my post, I see mainly XJT, C5 and logbooks with some Air whiskey, TSA and Skypest.

When I look up your post, I see you all over the place but mainly not XJT. I see a lot of your posts in Frontier, Allegiant, Spirit, Mesa and those seem to be a great place for you. Go back and read your posts. You push a lot of XJT Kool-Aid and bash almost everyone else.

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/s...1&pp=25&page=6

As I said before, help your fellow brothers and sisters out and give them some good advice and stop being a 60 year old crotchety dude.

Hou757 03-18-2017 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by No Lies (Post 2322706)
That's funny. When I pull up my post, I see mainly XJT, C5 and logbooks with some Air whiskey, TSA and Skypest.

When I look up your post, I see you all over the place but mainly not XJT. I see a lot of your posts in Frontier, Allegiant, Spirit, Mesa and those seem to be a great place for you. Go back and read your posts. You push a lot of XJT Kool-Aid and bash almost everyone else.

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/s...1&pp=25&page=6

As I said before, help your fellow brothers and sisters out and give them some good advice and stop being a 60 year old crotchety dude.

True, I did spend too much time on here "trashing" some other regionals in the past. I realized what a waist of time it was and that it was not my position to judge why others chose the regional they did. The rest of my posts were all questions for some LCC carriers.

No XJT kool aid being pushed. Just defending the lies and misinformation that you like to spread. It is obvious that you hope XJT closes it's doors so that Commutair can get more growth. Take your own advice and "help your fellow brothers and sisters out and give them some good advice" Stop spreading the lies. Oh and change that screen name if you cant stop the lies. End of argument on my part. You are not worth the time and frustration.

SkipperBaloo 03-18-2017 10:42 AM


Originally Posted by Nevjets (Post 2322668)
Wait a sec, it was you who began the blaming and included pilots as part of the blame!

He's mgmt. It's the only thing that makes sense. Of course there is the possibility of him being an online troll who needs to be fed.

No Lies 03-18-2017 04:51 PM


Originally Posted by Hou757 (Post 2323452)
True, I did spend too much time on here "trashing" some other regionals in the past. I realized what a waist of time it was and that it was not my position to judge why others chose the regional they did. The rest of my posts were all questions for some LCC carriers.

No XJT kool aid being pushed. Just defending the lies and misinformation that you like to spread. It is obvious that you hope XJT closes it's doors so that Commutair can get more growth. Take your own advice and "help your fellow brothers and sisters out and give them some good advice" Stop spreading the lies. Oh and change that screen name if you cant stop the lies. End of argument on my part. You are not worth the time and frustration.

What did I say that was a lie? I keep telling you all of yours.

Deeznutss 03-18-2017 08:12 PM

Surejet......

fenix1 03-18-2017 10:05 PM


Originally Posted by No Lies (Post 2322559)
There are no L-XJT crews in DFW. That base is gone. If you want to know about the L-asa base of CRJ's that are at AA, then try asking on this thread:

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/r...-crj-side.html

Thanks a lot.

Student01 04-03-2017 01:29 PM

I see CommutAir is retiring Q200s and Q300s in 2017-2018.
ExpressJet is losing ERJs in 2017 to CommutAir and TransStates.
Are we possibly not going to have UAX as XJT by the end of 2017???
Mesa gonna take over all those routes?
LCH, LFT, BHM, PNS, AEX, MLU, JAX, SHV, etc...who's gonna do it? SkyWest? Mesa? Not many IAH regional operators to do it.
Kinda scary...

Fish Bait 04-03-2017 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by Student01 (Post 2335660)
I see CommutAir is retiring Q200s and Q300s in 2017-2018.
ExpressJet is losing ERJs in 2017 to CommutAir and TransStates.
Are we possibly not going to have UAX as XJT by the end of 2017???
Mesa gonna take over all those routes?
LCH, LFT, BHM, PNS, AEX, MLU, JAX, SHV, etc...who's gonna do it? SkyWest? Mesa? Not many IAH regional operators to do it.
Kinda scary...

Expressjet will be dismantled and Buried first quarter 2018.

Student01 04-03-2017 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by Fish Bait (Post 2335666)
Expressjet will be dismantled and Buried first quarter 2018.

I believe it.
You mean it as a whole right?
Not L-XJT or L-ASA. ExpressJet as a whole will be gone by 2018.

Fish Bait 04-03-2017 01:52 PM


Originally Posted by student01 (Post 2335668)
i believe it.
You mean it as a whole right?
Not l-xjt or l-asa. Expressjet as a whole will be gone by 2018.

yep☠️☠️☠️☠️

Wynncore 04-03-2017 05:18 PM

I would be surprised if ExpressJet (ERJ and CRJ) are shut down in 2018, but the odds of it being around past 2020 aren't very good.

The CRJ contract with Delta expires in 2020 and the AA CRJ-700 contract expires in 2019 (it is only a 2 year CPA). I cannot speak for the ERJ United CPA, but the AWAC deal announced in January does not bode well for XJT as I believe the ERJ side will have less than 100 airframes in 2017.

It is really sad what is happening at ASA/XJT.


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