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Old 07-07-2017 | 06:12 AM
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My doctor too will only put "under my care" in sick notes. I'm at a loss at how I will be able to follow this specific injury or illness statement requirement. I'm also puzzled, like other posters, at how I can follow FAA self assessment requirements when the company apparently now only recognizes illness or injury as legitimate reasons?

Question for the smart, regulatory folks: do the FAA or federal laws require paid time off if one is sick?
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Old 07-07-2017 | 06:13 AM
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Oh, and while I'm at it. The fatigue call won't help you either. This is what happened to me under the new system.

Called in fatigued after a multiple revision trip ending with a hub turn. Very little sleep with multiple min rest periods, going into another extended duty period. They dropped the trip. It went to the review board and it was determined justified. This means it is not eligible for sick time use. That's right. Call in fatigued because of scheduling shenanigans, and you get the bonus of losing pay. But, it did go into my make up bank so I can pick up another fatiguing trip at my own convenience.

How do we get the union to stop "helping" us?
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Old 07-07-2017 | 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Fdxlag2
Read the grievance settlement, it sounds like the company might be making their policy sound as threatening as possible for the scare factor. But it sure ain't what was in the contract.
Couldn't find the settlement - anyone got a link or verbiage?
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Old 07-07-2017 | 06:20 AM
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Couldn't find the settlement - anyone got a link or verbiage?
On pfc it is linked in the "news" story.
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Old 07-07-2017 | 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by urinmyseat

The last time I got a Dr note, he wouldn't put the reason for the visit on the letter. Even though I explicitly asked him to do so. His understanding of the law, prevented him from stating my illness to my employer. What happens when your doc won't list your illness?

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There are definitely legal obstacles for the provider disclosing your diagnoses/health problems on a "doctors note". Technically, he/she has to have you sign a release each time you request a doctor's note indicating such detailed health conditions. The generic statement of, "being treated for their health condition" is apparently not enough for the company.

I'm not sure how precise the company wants the diagnoses? My guess is the provider can make a statement without disclosing the actual diagnoses. For example, patient is being treated for a respiratory illness versus acute pneumonia or patient is being treated for a Urinary Tract illness versus Gonorrhea which gives him an inability to perform his or her duties.

I agree, its really pushing if not exceeding the limits of maintaining a patient's privacy!

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Old 07-07-2017 | 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by urinmyseat
Oh, and while I'm at it. The fatigue call won't help you either. This is what happened to me under the new system.

Called in fatigued after a multiple revision trip ending with a hub turn. Very little sleep with multiple min rest periods, going into another extended duty period. They dropped the trip. It went to the review board and it was determined justified. This means it is not eligible for sick time use. That's right. Call in fatigued because of scheduling shenanigans, and you get the bonus of losing pay. But, it did go into my make up bank so I can pick up another fatiguing trip at my own convenience.

How do we get the union to stop "helping" us?
Did you call fatigued before the start of a trip, or in the middle of the trip?
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Old 07-07-2017 | 07:02 AM
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At the end of one revised trip, during the hub turn before the next revised trip. Total sleep was around 5 hours, in what would now with the revision, be almost 36 hours. The hub turn was reduced to one hour. The safest thing I could do, was not fly. The loss of pay was well worth not losing my life. No regrets, but the itch if you will, is that 6 revisions on the first trip, hub turning into the same trip, starting with the same original revision, was very unsafe. The new system board, cleared me as justified, and docked my pay.

I don't do makeup, so putting time into my enormous makeup bank is of no worth to me. And, yes I'm aware that is a choice I make.
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Old 07-07-2017 | 07:03 AM
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So only Fleet Management and the Aeromedical Advisor can see the pilot's sick event! This Aeromedical Advisor is contracted with Harvey Watt. Do these people hold a license to practice medicine or is it some pilot and a nurse making the decision whether or not the pilot was able to do their assigned duties? These "doctor's notes" are now medical notes which fall under the "practice of medicine" and need to be reviewed and signed by licensed Physicians, not management and nurses!
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Old 07-07-2017 | 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by 155mm
So only Fleet Management and the Aeromedical Advisor can see the pilot's sick event! This Aeromedical Advisor is contracted with Harvey Watt. Do these people hold a license to practice medicine or is it some pilot and a nurse making the decision whether or not the pilot was able to do their assigned duties? These "doctor's notes" are now medical notes which fall under the "practice of medicine" and need to be reviewed and signed by licensed Physicians, not management and nurses!
I believe Harvey Watt's division that does Aeromedical Advising is staffed with MDs.

Here's what I found on their website:

AeroMedical Services

The Only AeroMedical Provider Featuring:
The esteemed service of the former director of the FAA AeroMedical Certification Division who is responsible for authoring many of the rules and regulations followed today by the FAA.
Only full-time Senior AMEs, a rare designation given exclusively to the worlds most experienced and respected AMEs.
A complete staff of medical specialists that have received the FAA AME training in Oklahoma City.
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Old 07-07-2017 | 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Raptor
I believe Harvey Watt's division that does Aeromedical Advising is staffed with MDs. In fact, I believe their lead doctor is a former FAA Aeromedical chief from what I understand.
I have my doubts a real Physician is going to review thousands of pilot sick notes. They will more likely delegate these tasks to a paralegal or nurse and rubber stamp it!
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