Sick Tracking System Changes
07-10-2017, 03:48 AM
#53
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Outsider looking in.. Why did your company decide to change the sick call rules? Did you have an exorbitant amount of sick calls all of a sudden?
I find it worrisome because our managers here at brown always look for ways to copy other airlines' procedures IF it suits them.
We typically get a "is everything ok" call from one of our instantaneous super-captains after 6 sick calls in a year.. I've never heard of anyone having to submit a doctor's note but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen, I just never heard of it..
I hope your union succeeds in reversing this rule and that our company never adopts it.. Good luck!
Sorry for butting in.
I find it worrisome because our managers here at brown always look for ways to copy other airlines' procedures IF it suits them.
We typically get a "is everything ok" call from one of our instantaneous super-captains after 6 sick calls in a year.. I've never heard of anyone having to submit a doctor's note but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen, I just never heard of it..
I hope your union succeeds in reversing this rule and that our company never adopts it.. Good luck!
Sorry for butting in.
07-10-2017, 04:16 AM
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The administration of SL use was modified 4 years ago. The new evaluation system triggered automated requests for SL documentation (as permitted in our CBA). Previously Mgt would call and do a little dance to say, hey you've been sick a lot anything we should worry about. wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
New system triggered so low there were folks who hadn't been sick in 3 years being threatened with advisory letters if they didn't provide documentation from a Doctor as to why they had called in sick.
We grieved it. Main argument (which was ridiculed here) was that the threshold was way, way too low.
Negotiated settlement was reached last year (emailed to all but unread or forgotten by many). Tempers reached boiling level when Mgt announced had finished all of the programming/hiring agreed to in the settlement last week (with a link to the actual settlement).
So, at FedEx we still notify the Computer we're unfit to fly. Company has a limited amount of time to determine whether there's a Good Faith reason to think we're abusing SL documentation and a Human will have to decide to request documentation or communication from us as to why we called in sick.
The paranoics are assuming mgt Won't accept a head cold, self-medicated with OTC or GI issues statement which would result in the trip(s) in question being changed to a Dropped trip code (no pay and no way to make it up) and the SL being restored to the SL bank
New system triggered so low there were folks who hadn't been sick in 3 years being threatened with advisory letters if they didn't provide documentation from a Doctor as to why they had called in sick.
We grieved it. Main argument (which was ridiculed here) was that the threshold was way, way too low.
Negotiated settlement was reached last year (emailed to all but unread or forgotten by many). Tempers reached boiling level when Mgt announced had finished all of the programming/hiring agreed to in the settlement last week (with a link to the actual settlement).
So, at FedEx we still notify the Computer we're unfit to fly. Company has a limited amount of time to determine whether there's a Good Faith reason to think we're abusing SL documentation and a Human will have to decide to request documentation or communication from us as to why we called in sick.
The paranoics are assuming mgt Won't accept a head cold, self-medicated with OTC or GI issues statement which would result in the trip(s) in question being changed to a Dropped trip code (no pay and no way to make it up) and the SL being restored to the SL bank
07-10-2017, 04:23 AM
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To add on,
system ran for awhile and then management put a new sheriff in charge and he ratcheted things down to a more realistic level.
I received a note under the old system with the statement that I had called in sick before my R days and blah, blah, get us a note.
Which was way annoying because I was so Junior at the time that all I could hold was R days...and, I had called in sick during my previous block of R days 4 days earlier.
system ran for awhile and then management put a new sheriff in charge and he ratcheted things down to a more realistic level.
I received a note under the old system with the statement that I had called in sick before my R days and blah, blah, get us a note.
Which was way annoying because I was so Junior at the time that all I could hold was R days...and, I had called in sick during my previous block of R days 4 days earlier.
07-10-2017, 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by kronan
To add on,
system ran for awhile and then management put a new sheriff in charge and he ratcheted things down to a more realistic level.
I received a note under the old system with the statement that I had called in sick before my R days and blah, blah, get us a note.
Which was way annoying because I was so Junior at the time that all I could hold was R days...and, I had called in sick during my previous block of R days 4 days earlier.
system ran for awhile and then management put a new sheriff in charge and he ratcheted things down to a more realistic level.
I received a note under the old system with the statement that I had called in sick before my R days and blah, blah, get us a note.
Which was way annoying because I was so Junior at the time that all I could hold was R days...and, I had called in sick during my previous block of R days 4 days earlier.
So the paranoiacs were right for a while but then management graciously dialed down the sick leave optimizer. Not to worry then.
07-10-2017, 06:20 AM
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Slugo,
I read it when it came out and I read it again when the company put out this latest rubbish. It doesn't really matter what the settlement reads. What matters is how the company interprets the settlement. We usually produce verbiage that is very "Gray" to a good team of lawyers.
Unlike you. I got a request this year for a sick note. I had two sick calls in the prior 15 months. 6 sick calls total in the prior 37 months.
I flew with a guy who said he got a request for one of our trips he called in for. He said it was his first call in 3 years. I didn't believe him, so I looked at his schedule. I only went back 24 months, but he was clean for that long.
So it happens, only now it is going to be much harder to get paid when it does.
I read it when it came out and I read it again when the company put out this latest rubbish. It doesn't really matter what the settlement reads. What matters is how the company interprets the settlement. We usually produce verbiage that is very "Gray" to a good team of lawyers.
Unlike you. I got a request this year for a sick note. I had two sick calls in the prior 15 months. 6 sick calls total in the prior 37 months.
I flew with a guy who said he got a request for one of our trips he called in for. He said it was his first call in 3 years. I didn't believe him, so I looked at his schedule. I only went back 24 months, but he was clean for that long.
So it happens, only now it is going to be much harder to get paid when it does.
07-10-2017, 06:57 AM
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How about if we give them a note that states that we are complying with FAR 61.53:
§61.53 Prohibition on operations during medical deficiency.
(a) Operations that require a medical certificate. Except as provided for in paragraph (b) of this section, no person who holds a medical certificate issued under part 67 of this chapter may act as pilot in command, or in any other capacity as a required pilot flight crewmember, while that person:
(1) Knows or has reason to know of any medical condition that would make the person unable to meet the requirements for the medical certificate necessary for the pilot operation; or
(2) Is taking medication or receiving other treatment for a medical condition that results in the person being unable to meet the requirements for the medical certificate necessary for the pilot operation.
(b) is for Operations that do not require a medical certificate)
§61.53 Prohibition on operations during medical deficiency.
(a) Operations that require a medical certificate. Except as provided for in paragraph (b) of this section, no person who holds a medical certificate issued under part 67 of this chapter may act as pilot in command, or in any other capacity as a required pilot flight crewmember, while that person:
(1) Knows or has reason to know of any medical condition that would make the person unable to meet the requirements for the medical certificate necessary for the pilot operation; or
(2) Is taking medication or receiving other treatment for a medical condition that results in the person being unable to meet the requirements for the medical certificate necessary for the pilot operation.
(b) is for Operations that do not require a medical certificate)
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