Vacation slide and extension - reserve
04-12-2018, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by pinseeker
In this scenario, the pilot would get paid for three of the four days that were knocked out by the buffer. The fourth day would be moved to somewhere else in the bid month. The three days that were knocked out by the buffer would count as the vacation extension. The most days that can be knocked out are 10.
I was talking my bud through this looking at his bid processing summary. He extended to 10 days. With the buffers, that resulted in 14 days affected by the vacation. On his summary calendar grid, he had "B" over the first two R-days removed as buffer days, "V" for the 7 vaca days, "X" on the next three R-days and "B" over the last two R-days.
He gets paid for 10 R-days (the 7 "V"s and 3 "X"s) and a total of 47:40 comes out of his vacation bank (10 x R-day value).
So, I don't see how he could get paid for 3 of the 4 Buffer days when the 3 "X" days indicating extension are clearly shown as different days from the buffers.
Maybe I'm not understanding what you're saying.
04-12-2018, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 5millionaire
What if you have both reserve and training in same month as vacation, and your reserve line falls on both your training and Vaca? Do you get paid for R days dropped by vaca, or since the training is on the line (and should drop the whole R line) does the whole R line drop out and you have to bid your entire RLG on the make up bid, instead of the difference between the RLG and remaining R days after training takes the R days out?
I looked at the CBA but couldn’t find Anything.
I looked at the CBA but couldn’t find Anything.
So, you slide, extend, expand, etc your vacation and that gets set first when the CIC window closes. THEN, they'll take your recurrent training bid and process that. Whatever training bid you can hold and is legal based on what you did to your vacation will then be awarded.
04-12-2018, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver
Well, technically, you don't have training in your calendar yet (assuming you're talking about recurrent). You bid for that now but it's not determined.
So, you slide, extend, expand, etc your vacation and that gets set first when the CIC window closes. THEN, they'll take your recurrent training bid and process that. Whatever training bid you can hold and is legal based on what you did to your vacation will then be awarded.
So, you slide, extend, expand, etc your vacation and that gets set first when the CIC window closes. THEN, they'll take your recurrent training bid and process that. Whatever training bid you can hold and is legal based on what you did to your vacation will then be awarded.
04-12-2018, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 5millionaire
Ah, thanks I thought both vaca and training bid were in the CIC. So the training bid is actually in view/add...right on thanks.
If you look under "Bid Period Processsing", there's a Conflict/Input Window column and to the right of that a View/Add/Secondary Window column. Those pretty much list all the various operations that are accomplished during each corresponding window.
04-12-2018, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver
No. Recurrent bid is in CIC as well. You need to have that in by Sat morning. But they will process your vacation inputs first, once the CIC window closes. Once your vacation is not longer a variable, your training bid is processed.
If you look under "Bid Period Processsing", there's a Conflict/Input Window column and to the right of that a View/Add/Secondary Window column. Those pretty much list all the various operations that are accomplished during each corresponding window.
If you look under "Bid Period Processsing", there's a Conflict/Input Window column and to the right of that a View/Add/Secondary Window column. Those pretty much list all the various operations that are accomplished during each corresponding window.
04-12-2018, 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by pinseeker
In this scenario, the pilot would get paid for three of the four days that were knocked out by the buffer. The fourth day would be moved to somewhere else in the bid month. The three days that were knocked out by the buffer would count as the vacation extension. The most days that can be knocked out are 10.
You don’t get paid or use vacation for buffer R days that are removed. The buffers simply are free of duty. The R days dropped due to buffer are restored later on in reconstruction. Also, we won a grievance and later on in the month, when the month is active, CRS can NOT use their “move an R day” option to move an R day into your buffer. It remains free of duty when constructed, and during your active month. But, YOU can take an action during the active month that puts a make up trip into your buffer, though.
04-13-2018, 03:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver
hmmmm
I was talking my bud through this looking at his bid processing summary. He extended to 10 days. With the buffers, that resulted in 14 days affected by the vacation. On his summary calendar grid, he had "B" over the first two R-days removed as buffer days, "V" for the 7 vaca days, "X" on the next three R-days and "B" over the last two R-days.
He gets paid for 10 R-days (the 7 "V"s and 3 "X"s) and a total of 47:40 comes out of his vacation bank (10 x R-day value).
So, I don't see how he could get paid for 3 of the 4 Buffer days when the 3 "X" days indicating extension are clearly shown as different days from the buffers.
Maybe I'm not understanding what you're saying.
I was talking my bud through this looking at his bid processing summary. He extended to 10 days. With the buffers, that resulted in 14 days affected by the vacation. On his summary calendar grid, he had "B" over the first two R-days removed as buffer days, "V" for the 7 vaca days, "X" on the next three R-days and "B" over the last two R-days.
He gets paid for 10 R-days (the 7 "V"s and 3 "X"s) and a total of 47:40 comes out of his vacation bank (10 x R-day value).
So, I don't see how he could get paid for 3 of the 4 Buffer days when the 3 "X" days indicating extension are clearly shown as different days from the buffers.
Maybe I'm not understanding what you're saying.
Originally Posted by Raptor
You don’t get paid or use vacation for buffer R days that are removed. The buffers simply are free of duty. The R days dropped due to buffer are restored later on in reconstruction. Also, we won a grievance and later on in the month, when the month is active, CRS can NOT use their “move an R day” option to move an R day into your buffer. It remains free of duty when constructed, and during your active month. But, YOU can take an action during the active month that puts a make up trip into your buffer, though.
You do get paid for R-Days dropped by the buffer as long as they fall within the formula for the maximum hours to be paid. I bid an R-24 line with vacation (won't do that again), and did exactly that because I wanted the R-day blocks to stay the way they were. I got paid for the days that were in conflict with the buffer.
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