Originally Posted by kwri10s (Post 2793474)

I think you will find yourself in the vast minority with this view. The only people who will hold this view are those that are senior in a seat but don't want to put in the time to hawk open time.

The wolf pack guys are a whole other issue. That does not have anything to do with the regular guys trading with open time.

Originally Posted by busdriver12 (Post 2793498)

You have got to be joking. Either that, or senior and still want it all.

If you're senior, just bid the trips you want. And then make friends, get a group going who help each other out, get on the Facebook swapping pages. But to try to control everyone else's life....no. You would be in a very small, senior, self focused minority.

Originally Posted by FXLAX (Post 2793508)

Im all for seniority when it comes to bidding your line. But I would like instant trip trading because it allows the majority, that are not senior, a chance at being able to improve their QOL.

Originally Posted by MelT (Post 2793599)

And why the hell should you get priority makeup just because you protect min days off with a secondary line and not a regular line? WTF is that all about?

Originally Posted by FrankTheTank (Post 2793636)

His name is PurpleTOOLBOX :eek:

Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox (Post 2793761)

Yes, I stepped into a hornets nest.



Not senior. So you can stop that argument. I also find it unethical for those who pick up trips that they don't intend to fly, to shop it around a group of willing participants. But I don't think that happens often. The real problem is people are using Bots -- and I don't mean the two products developed by FDXers that many of our pilots have on their phones. And when they're using those bots, you aren't going to get any trip. The Bot will have an earlier time stamp than you. Do not doubt me on this.



Disagree. Previous company processed requests in seniority and junior people could change their schedule. Senior folks don't really need to do this as they're usually get what they want.



Let me rephrase that for you ... why should people who are flying carryover month after month, working extra flying for straight pay, helping the company, get paid so much while getting PNP screwing everyone else trying to change their schedule? I agree 100%.



Name calling is a great way of winning debates.


I get it, you guys don't like the OT by seniority. The current system is broken. It is why a few seem to get all the nice trips that fall into OT. It is why VIPs nearly crashes every Thursday when OT is out.

I think slowing down the process would be best for more pilots. It would give more pilots who are airborne a chance to bid because there is no fair time to release OT. Pilots are often sleeping or flying. I've flown with crewmembers who were up all night trying to swap trips when they should have been sleeping. We are our own worst enemy.

It would give folks who are commuters a chance to see if they can secure a flight or deadhead.

And it would defeat the bots.

I figured a system that respected seniority would be welcome. I am wrong. But this is FedEx ...not exactly the most unified group I've ever worked with. :mad:

Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox (Post 2793761)

Disagree. Previous company processed requests in seniority and junior people could change their schedule. Senior folks don't really need to do this as they're usually get what they want.

Originally Posted by Fdxlag2 (Post 2793669)

I certainly don’t fly them but EWR-LAX-OAK or LAX-EWR-ORD keep popping up in the 76 bid pack. A lot of DEN-IND-ONT next day ONT-IND-DEN.

Originally Posted by FXLAX (Post 2793730)

I don’t know yet. But you are still thinking along the lines of the whole bank paradigm. I’m referring to a solution that allows us to do away with banks, so that we can have instant trip trading, and yet allow those “wronged” to be made whole.

Originally Posted by FXLAX (Post 2793771)

If the senior folks don’t need to do this as they usually get what they want, doesn’t that just strengthen the argument in favor of just having instant trip trading?

At my previous company, we had instant trip trading. Having it that way, everyone could change their schedule, junior and senior. But it gave the junior pilot hope to improve QOL. The senior pilots were able to improve their QOL even more, if they wanted to. But they were now on equal footing with the junior pilots. So everyone was happy. Senior pilots benefited by bidding with their seniority. And junior pilots were still able to increase QOL. And if the senior pilot still wanted to increase theirs as well, then they could too...with everyone else.

Originally Posted by Tuck (Post 2793776)

Huh? Everything you said in the 2nd paragraph after the first sentence applies at this company - the one that you chose to come to and leave the "previous company". So what exactly are you implying instant trip trading would do again other than give instant gratification to the member? I'm all for speeding it up but not instant - washes out necessary positives of PNP and PMU.

Originally Posted by Tuck (Post 2793773)

So are they worse than the flip flops in the past? Do they get a long layover in ORD and stay on day time? I honestly don't know but would love to hear from someone that has flown both the priors and now these.

Originally Posted by FXLAX (Post 2793771)

If the senior folks don’t need to do this as they usually get what they want, doesn’t that just strengthen the argument in favor of just having instant trip trading?

Having it that way, everyone could change their schedule, junior and senior.

Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox (Post 2793761)

Name calling is a great way of winning debates.