American or FedEx
09-17-2018 | 05:53 AM
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This is APC so the OP can expect a range of opinions, mostly so shallow and lacking critical thought...
What the OP need to be asking is..
Why FedEx or AA? The top two are DAL and UAL in terms of earnings potential...
FedEx biz model outside of Flight Ops needs to be scrutinized...
AA joint ventures (as well as DAL) result in less WB jobs (think big bucks, or lack of access to those jobs).
As far as union effectivness, FX still thinks like FPA and the APA is about as effective as an aerated condom. If you don't understand what that means, then AA or FX is right for you.
What the OP need to be asking is..
Why FedEx or AA? The top two are DAL and UAL in terms of earnings potential...
FedEx biz model outside of Flight Ops needs to be scrutinized...
AA joint ventures (as well as DAL) result in less WB jobs (think big bucks, or lack of access to those jobs).
As far as union effectivness, FX still thinks like FPA and the APA is about as effective as an aerated condom. If you don't understand what that means, then AA or FX is right for you.
He asked why FX or AA because he has offers from both. If he had offers from the additional carriers you mentioned then I can only imagine that his question would be broader.
What data points are you using in your assertion that DL and UA offer better earnings potential?
I do agree with you about ALPA at Purple. Ineffective and lacking experience and talent on the legal side. Purple’s corporate ambitions outside of Express seem to be doing well. I believe most feel that is a positive and not a negative.
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09-17-2018 | 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by deus ex machina
FedEx biz model outside of Flight Ops needs to be scrutinized...
FedEx's stock has outperformed most companies in the Transport sector, as has their revenue growth over the last decade or so...much of which has come from Ground.
09-17-2018 | 06:00 AM
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I'm looking for some input on my future in commercial aviation. I'm fortunate enough to have an opportunity at FDX and AA but need some help making a decision.
I'm in my early 30's and separating from active duty after 10 years. I am joining a reserve unit to make it to 20 years and get a reserve retirement. AA has a base co-located with my reserve job which allows me to avoid commuting. Class dates for both jobs are within a month of one another.
I guess the big question is do the benefits of commuting to a FDX job outweigh the benefits of living in base with AA?
Thank you in advance for all of the feedback. I know that I found threads like these incredibly useful even before I started the application process!
I'm in my early 30's and separating from active duty after 10 years. I am joining a reserve unit to make it to 20 years and get a reserve retirement. AA has a base co-located with my reserve job which allows me to avoid commuting. Class dates for both jobs are within a month of one another.
I guess the big question is do the benefits of commuting to a FDX job outweigh the benefits of living in base with AA?
Thank you in advance for all of the feedback. I know that I found threads like these incredibly useful even before I started the application process!
09-17-2018 | 06:14 AM
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...=.fb15dee720bb
09-17-2018 | 06:20 AM
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This is what I am talking about.. myopic pilot view of business.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...=.fb15dee720bb
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...=.fb15dee720bb
Also, still waiting to hear your analysis on how UAL/DAL have the highest “earning potential”.
09-17-2018 | 06:23 AM
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Fedex pension is a hard target... union already talking about a new retirement plan... FX union itself still thinks like FPA..
Technology outside of single pilots ops makes fedex vulnerable as a long term biz model; amazon and uber.
AA (and DAL) has few WB jets compared to UA and Fedex...
AA union sucks.. their contract blows and they publicly state it. How long do you want to fly a NB with an RJ contract. Even their uniforms are horrible and RJ looking?
Lot to consider... however, thinking like a pilot when making career choices can be detrimental to ones career.
09-17-2018 | 06:25 AM
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FedEX pension.. on the chopping block
AA contract... complete POS.
09-17-2018 | 06:25 AM
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Here were are almost two years later, when Amazon has almost fielded all 40 of its announced airplanes (with none announced or ordered beyond that initial number)...and as I mentioned upthread, Amazon volume on UPS is even higher than it was before "Operation Aerosmith" started.
Both FDX and UPS have continued to grow their operations as eCommerce well just Amazon is exploding.
Yeah Amazon ordered 20k Mercedes vans for their delivery service, using a contractor model that was...wait for it...pioneered by FedEx. Even with that, their domestic let alone global network is nowhere NEAR that of FedEx - either air or ground. To actually compete with the duopoly (remember DHL North America?), Amazon will have to spend tens of billions MORE to even sniff it.
It is unbelievably myopic to focus on their potential competitors while ignoring those to AA (or UAL or DAL) like flags of convenience, international ULCC, regional airline pilot shortages impacting hub feed, etc.
Time passes, and companies either evolve or die. FedEx has done just fine and there is absolutely zero reason to expect they won't continue to do so...
09-17-2018 | 06:25 AM
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Remember the golden rule: never question Fedex or Southwest employment. Those pilot groups are by far the most sensitive groups alive. The poster insulted fedex pilots by even mentioning AA in the same breath as fedex. With that said, you are young so who has the least chance of folding or having serious financial isssues down the road? Fedex so there is your answer. I am late 40’s and didnt go to my fedex interview after being at AA for 4 months. No way I was going to commute to Memphis, deal with night hub turns, training pay, or a crashpad in training. American has treated me great so far and I have not had one negative interaction with anyone. I am drinking the koolaid but like I said earlier: go to Fedex because they probably have 25 billion in cash sitting around and AA has 25 billion in debt.
Remember when you were spewing the same drivel in the United thread? Here I’ll help you:
FedEx to United
You must have failed reading comprehension and don’t know how to search these forums it seems, so I’ll give you the same reply again.
FedEx to United
09-17-2018 | 06:27 AM
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If you weren't so smug, you might have noticed that article is nearly two years old...one of many that were written in 2016 claiming Amazon would kill FDX.
Here were are almost two years later, when Amazon has almost fielded all 40 of its announced airplanes (with none announced or ordered beyond that initial number)...and as I mentioned upthread, Amazon volume on UPS is even higher than it was before "Operation Aerosmith" started.
Both FDX and UPS have continued to grow their operations as eCommerce well just Amazon is exploding.
Yeah Amazon ordered 20k Mercedes vans for their delivery service, using a contractor model that was...wait for it...pioneered by FedEx. Even with that, their domestic let alone global network is nowhere NEAR that of FedEx - either air or ground. To actually compete with the duopoly (remember DHL North America?), Amazon will have to spend tens of billions MORE to even sniff it.
It is unbelievably myopic to focus on their potential competitors while ignoring those to AA (or UAL or DAL) like flags of convenience, international ULCC, regional airline pilot shortages impacting hub feed, etc.
Time passes, and companies either evolve or die. FedEx has done just fine and there is absolutely zero reason to expect they won't continue to do so...
Here were are almost two years later, when Amazon has almost fielded all 40 of its announced airplanes (with none announced or ordered beyond that initial number)...and as I mentioned upthread, Amazon volume on UPS is even higher than it was before "Operation Aerosmith" started.
Both FDX and UPS have continued to grow their operations as eCommerce well just Amazon is exploding.
Yeah Amazon ordered 20k Mercedes vans for their delivery service, using a contractor model that was...wait for it...pioneered by FedEx. Even with that, their domestic let alone global network is nowhere NEAR that of FedEx - either air or ground. To actually compete with the duopoly (remember DHL North America?), Amazon will have to spend tens of billions MORE to even sniff it.
It is unbelievably myopic to focus on their potential competitors while ignoring those to AA (or UAL or DAL) like flags of convenience, international ULCC, regional airline pilot shortages impacting hub feed, etc.
Time passes, and companies either evolve or die. FedEx has done just fine and there is absolutely zero reason to expect they won't continue to do so...
What is the duration of a pilot career.. a bit more than two years.
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