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03-04-2021, 07:47 AM
#111
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
The rest of the industry is once again going to be counting on FedEx to raise the bar like what they have done the last 20 years.
Industry leading? Hardly.
But it's time to fix that, and actually become the industry leader you think we are. It will require high expectations and unflinching determination on our part, but we can do that.
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03-04-2021, 05:10 PM
#112
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[QUOTE=TonyC;3202675]The only time FedEx has led the industry in pay rates is when the major airlines took pay cuts. Sure, we've had a few brief months here and there where one or two of our pay rates were on top, but we have never risen above ... no, we have never even reached an average of 3% improvement per year since the first year of our first CBA. For the first six months of our first pay rate increase (which came not 1 year, but 18 months after that first CBA was implemented) we were on the 3% slope. We've been behind it ever since, with the gap growing bigger ever since.
Industry leading? Hardly.
But it's time to fix that, and actually become the industry leader you think we are. It will require high expectations and unflinching determination on our part, but we can do that.
Total compensation not just hourly pay rates. When you add in trip rig, duty rig, overrides, etc we have lead. Then add in retirement and the margin widens. We have also fallen slightly behind at times when other places have bargained ahead of us. I'm confident we will once again lead. Im also confident our W2's per day of work are leading in the industry and will continue to be even more after this next contract. Maybe im more pessimistic than most, but I tend to try to be positive.
Industry leading? Hardly.
But it's time to fix that, and actually become the industry leader you think we are. It will require high expectations and unflinching determination on our part, but we can do that.
Total compensation not just hourly pay rates. When you add in trip rig, duty rig, overrides, etc we have lead. Then add in retirement and the margin widens. We have also fallen slightly behind at times when other places have bargained ahead of us. I'm confident we will once again lead. Im also confident our W2's per day of work are leading in the industry and will continue to be even more after this next contract. Maybe im more pessimistic than most, but I tend to try to be positive.
03-05-2021, 07:04 PM
#113
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Joined APC: Nov 2005
Position: Directly behind the combiner
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
Total compensation not just hourly pay rates. When you add in trip rig, duty rig, overrides, etc we have lead. Then add in retirement and the margin widens. We have also fallen slightly behind at times when other places have bargained ahead of us. I'm confident we will once again lead. Im also confident our W2's per day of work are leading in the industry and will continue to be even more after this next contract. Maybe im more pessimistic than most, but I tend to try to be positive.
In the past 22 years, our "A" plan has never been improved to afford us 50% income replacement.
In the past 22 years, our "B" plan has seen three tiny 1% improvements.
In the past 22 years, our Pay rates have lagged behind 3% inflation.
In the past 22 years, bankrupt airlines have surpassed us.
Wake up.
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03-05-2021, 07:16 PM
#115
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[QUOTE=Noworkallplay;3202947]
Total compensation not just hourly pay rates. When you add in trip rig, duty rig, overrides, etc we have lead. Then add in retirement and the margin widens. We have also fallen slightly behind at times when other places have bargained ahead of us. I'm confident we will once again lead. Im also confident our W2's per day of work are leading in the industry and will continue to be even more after this next contract. Maybe im more pessimistic than most, but I tend to try to be positive.
How do you account for those who fly under 117 and can fly nine hours a day domestically? How are there per day W-2's?
Originally Posted by TonyC
Total compensation not just hourly pay rates. When you add in trip rig, duty rig, overrides, etc we have lead. Then add in retirement and the margin widens. We have also fallen slightly behind at times when other places have bargained ahead of us. I'm confident we will once again lead. Im also confident our W2's per day of work are leading in the industry and will continue to be even more after this next contract. Maybe im more pessimistic than most, but I tend to try to be positive.
03-05-2021, 11:47 PM
#116
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Joined APC: May 2006
Position: Excessed WB Capt.
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Look at your friends schedules at major airlines. I have and they look great. Dont think many senior capts at the majors are worling 12-14 hour days domestically. Yes they work hard time trips mostly and maybe a few calendar days a month more but think they get home at 6-11pm on regular schedule not 6am affer jumpseating all night to get away from Memphis.
TonyC post some old bid packs.
TonyC post some old bid packs.
03-06-2021, 04:59 AM
#117
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Joined APC: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,820
Originally Posted by TonyC
Positive? I call that delusional.
In the past 22 years, our "A" plan has never been improved to afford us 50% income replacement.
In the past 22 years, our "B" plan has seen three tiny 1% improvements.
In the past 22 years, our Pay rates have lagged behind 3% inflation.
In the past 22 years, bankrupt airlines have surpassed us.
Wake up.
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In the past 22 years, our "A" plan has never been improved to afford us 50% income replacement.
In the past 22 years, our "B" plan has seen three tiny 1% improvements.
In the past 22 years, our Pay rates have lagged behind 3% inflation.
In the past 22 years, bankrupt airlines have surpassed us.
Wake up.
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TonyC, the guy you quoted stating that our W2's are the best is also the guy who posted that he made over $350K last year. At his pay rate of under $260 per hour, he is working over 1350 hours in a year. Not a lot of draft or AVA in the 75 CAP seat. He also had one family member who worked here, but now has multiple family members that have been here a long time. This guy is either a troll, a management plant, or one of those pilots that likes to talk big about pilot unity and it being up to us to get the contract we deserve, but will be the first one to bend to the companies will.
03-06-2021, 11:52 AM
#118
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Posts: 2,099
[QUOTE=BrianH;3203387]
How do you account for those who fly under 117 and can fly nine hours a day domestically? How are there per day W-2's?
Do they also have restrictions on the amount of block hours flown per duty, like we do? Honest question because I don’t know. I do know that if we were to be put under 117, our restriction would still apply.
Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
How do you account for those who fly under 117 and can fly nine hours a day domestically? How are there per day W-2's?
Do they also have restrictions on the amount of block hours flown per duty, like we do? Honest question because I don’t know. I do know that if we were to be put under 117, our restriction would still apply.
03-07-2021, 10:09 AM
#119
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Joined APC: Dec 2019
Position: RFO
Posts: 118
[QUOTE=FXLAX;3203594]
Do they also have restrictions on the amount of block hours flown per duty, like we do? Honest question because I don’t know. I do know that if we were to be put under 117, our restriction would still apply.
117 max amount of block hours chart...
Originally Posted by BrianH
Do they also have restrictions on the amount of block hours flown per duty, like we do? Honest question because I don’t know. I do know that if we were to be put under 117, our restriction would still apply.
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