As I said, it wasn't published in a notable pillar of truth such as the Atlantic. LOL. Time will tell I guess? It's shaping up to be an interesting winter. Enjoy it, trophy collectors.

Even giving her the benefit of doubt on her professional competency...

She has an almost megalomaniac sense that she, and she alone, is suited to make determinations on big picture USA policy. She has tunnel vision on medical issues and medical regs, without any qualification, experience, or perspective on the big picture.

The army (and DoD in general) is not mandating vaccination to save the servicemembers, they're doing it to avoid operational disruption from rapidly spreading covid which would degrade training and readiness long-term. Especially in austere military working and living conditions.

Her training and role in the military is very stovepipe, and she's waaaay out of her lane.

Couldn’t the same thing be said for the policy makers in government concerning Covid policy?


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I thought he was talking about Fauci and Biden, so I didn't respond.

No. They have a lot of qualified technical advisors.

Their failing is in leadership, ie making hard choices with potential political consequences.

An expert epidemiologist is likely to advise mandatory lockdowns, etc because their calculations show deaths and disruption in the healthcare system. A leader should consider that with all of the OTHER ramifications associated with draconian government actions, weight it all and make a decision.

Instead many of the elected "leaders" seem inclined to punt and CYA by doing what the bureaucrats recommend... regardless of second/third order effects.

Also the problematic ones seem inclined to cater to their base, which includes most of the hysterical TP hording covidians.

I got plenty of TP. Parking lot, say 10:56 PM, alone. Cash only small bills.

Not wise to accept cash, with the hyperinflation people are predicting, it will be worth more as a toilet paper soon!

Do you accept crypto? Specifically the new Elon coin?

About to see a huge spike in vaccinations on the 777 due to SYD.

Sounds like many on this site!

Looks like the OSHA rules will kick in on January 4rth now instead of early December. I'm wondering what our plan is going to be and I wish Management would let us know now so those who are unvaccinated can make plans.

OSHA vaccine mandate to hit large employers Jan. 4, with hefty fines for noncompliance | Fox Business

That was a very interesting FCIF. I don't understand how someone could be so terrified of a shot that they'd willingly put themselves through that, but I have at least one buddy who's going through a ton of pain just to avoid the vaccine. I'm expecting things to get much more restrictive than even that over time though... Especially internationally where everyone has been more aggressive about fighting Covid 19.

Hope you had a great open enrollment and get lots of gift cards for all the booster shots in the coming year!

Guess this post is is aging nicely after all, and for at least 4 months eh champ? Any other important predictions you have?

I still can't believe that you and others who went from "2 weeks to flatten the curve" to "3 jabs or your job" would continue to work for an employer who is actively lobbying the government to make the vax optional. It must be a struggle living against what your conscience tells you is right. That is a problem that the deadly unvaxed DON'T have.

You can tell what a man really believes by following his actions, and you and the other fascists who haven't left for UA and their 99.9% vaxed work environment appear to be all about the money vs. protecting your families against deadly unvaxed co-workers. Have you done the risk/rewards on this decision to stay in harm's way when there is a safer place to go? Is it really worth the money to be around unvaxed co-workers when there is an employer out there that requires the vax? You have a very different work and life philosophy than your current company's board of directors, owner, and management. Maybe it's time to dust off the resume and turn towards safer skies. Do it for your family. It's an act of love. Life is too short to work in close quarters with dangerous covid transmitting imbeciles who chant "muh freedom" or "faith" or any other stupid ideology who can do damage to you and your fully vaxed family.

Or just keep cashing those checks and your conscience will stay more locked up than a Fauci thanksgiving - either way, thank God you have the freedom to choose. (insert whatever term fits better for freedom, since that term has been removed by other "precedents")

And unlike your disdain for the deadly unvaxed and hope for their banishment, marginalization, and loss of the ability to provide for their family, I earnestly hope you end up somewhere that is a good fit for you and your family and that you finish your career with a peaceful conscience (or whatever term you choose to insert there that is non-offensive to you). It is muh wish for you. Godspeed. (or insert whatever term there that is non-offensive to you)

Bravo sir. Well said.

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The funny thing about your rant is the article that I posted above that states that FedEx has until January 4th to make sure you are fully vaccinated or they'll be on the business end of a $14,000 fine for just you. There is a once a week testing option that FedEx might qualify for depending on whether or not we're viewed as a government contractor. These things have repeatedly held up in court according to the document ALPA legal is posting on our own Union's website. In addition to that foreign countries keep restricting what the unvaccinated can do in their countries. Keep running your mouth. I'll be here when you say you're quitting over it... I'll also be here when you call everyone a Nazi for forcing you to get it. I'll be here when you realize the world isn't ending and move on to some other topic... In the meantime it might help to lay off the Qanon. It's not good for your mental health. I hope the jumpseat back from DFW went well.

Excellent Post. God Bless You

I think the shots are 100% covered, so gift cards likely won’t be necessary.

I get that y’all had an argument, but digging up an old post simply so you can claim you were right isn’t a good look.

The guidance released today implies we will be requiring testing or the vaccine, so to me this looks a bit like a self own.


Before you meltdown and attack me, I believe the vaccine is a good thing to get based on what my doctor and my friends that are doctors told me…however I do understand people not being pro mandate. I haven’t decided if I am for the mandate or not to be honest, both sides have compelling arguments.

Most importantly, it’s probably time to chill. I don’t think anyone is changing anyone else’s mind here. Our country needs people to chill out and stop hating on each other. Y’all both like airplanes, maybe talk about that instead.

That's no fun....this was just getting interesting.

Please research the adverse reaction of Tinnitus. 30-ish days after my fauci ouchie I developed and have had it for the past two weeks. This has occurred with all the brands not just the one I’ve taken. It’s a more rare reaction but it’s real and it could affect your future 1st class medical. How on earth any pilot could support a inoculation (it’s not a vaccine) that has so many potential adverse side effects that could affect your career is beyond me. This isn’t your average flu shot or proven vaccine it’s a new type of inoculation without long term data and potentially serious side effects.

I'm praying it resolves but what if said employer requires the booster jab for job? Are you willing to put your medical and career on the line over and over again? Not me. I’ll file medical/religious exemptions, take leave of absence, or find a place that won’t put me in a position where I have to choose.

This should be a choice you get to make not a mandate. If you feel it’s right for you, take it. If you have concerns about the side effects then you should have the choice to not take it without fear of losing a way to provide for your family.

Gift cards like swag for the year for getting flu shots and taking smoking cessation class. There is no doubt the shots are covered and pushed like candy on Halloween.

I’m sorry to your troubles fishn.

I’m also sorry to inform you that you will no longer be permitted to continue in this profession. The icing on the cake is that some of your “union brothers” will publicly delight in your personal and financial misery. You’ve probably already read their elated posts about moving up seniority numbers and purging the selfish who must find other employment. You might get a bit of a pass from them because you didn’t reference your faith or American values - they truly hate those words.

I hope you feel blessed that you are made of better stuff than these psychos that cheer the financial ruin of their union brethren. Maybe we can talk about cool planes sometime, because that is supposed to be a better alternative than complaining.

I can tell that you will be content in your decision and things will work out for you - hopefully here. God bless you.

First - This was a busy 15 minutes between my post and yours - tracking down my identity and checking on my schedule while accusing me of mental problems. Serious productivity displayed! Don’t know if it matters, but I’ve never cheered against, berated, belittled, or rejoiced at my brothers being thrown on the streets. Some might call that a mental problem, others might call it a soul problem. It is a consistent theme over these last several months in your posts and on full display. Check out the union’s code of ethics if you get a chance.

Second - Since logistical chaos couldn’t be allowed prior to Christmas, you think it’s going to be officially rescheduled to January 4th? That is an interesting perspective. Hopefully you are positioning some stocks for the calamity that is marked on the calendar to cash in. Maybe you can loan some to your former brothers that you hope will be blacklisted from the airline industry because of their medical, religious, or personal beliefs. Muh oh muh!.

Third - There is a lot of anger against the deadly unvaxxed that is blinding your ability to reason, even with your own wallet! When significant numbers retire or are fired on January 4th, the company will probably claim financial hardship and compel your remaining union brothers to agree to a substandard contract again. This will affect you for years. Not very savvy, but at least all those puritans and dopey Qers will be gone right?!

Fourth - I don’t know if you spend much time in the company manuals on your iPad, but they have an exemption for EVERYTHING! Efvs approaches below standard weather mins is just an example, but there are tons of others and the company invests top dollar for these competitive advantages. Don’t you think they will maneuver into some kind of an exemption that will allow the deadly unvaxxed to continue working? After all this investment and leverage deployed, you think they are going to let the branch covidians significantly cut their bottom line by restricting their workforce? I tell you this because you and your jabtastic comrades should prepare yourselves for a career of working shoulder to shoulder with the deadly unvaxxed - this company is not going to lose money for some flimsy osha rules and a senile press release. That is why other airlines appear to be safer for you and the others here who have demonstrated the clear danger of the mere presence of the unvaxxed. If you stay here, you will be miserable because this company will essentially pay their way out of the mandate. It would be pretty selfish and greedy to work for a company like that don’t you think?

As the great philosophers in Limp Bizkit once said, “just think about it...”

Asking for a friend, if the two new oral treatments that have been approved (US UK) are as effective as the makers claim, wouldn't they be an alternative treatment? And, isn't an Emergency Use Authorization predicated on, no alternative treatment available? And, as for Comirnaty, didn't the CDC just admit it is NOT exactly the same as what is available in the US? If it isn't exactly the same, from a legal perspective, then the ones here are still under EUA. It has to be legal, because it has to be in accordance federal regulation which carry the weight of law. Reference the Administrative Procedures Act.

For the keyboard kommandos, the simplest epidimiological action is to jab everyone, then sort it out later. Like Army Anti Air, shoot every airplane down then sort it out later, on the ground. Plus, as time goes by, the largest safety and side effect studies in the history of mankind will have been completed, but that will take several years (3-6). From a individual health perspective, you are rolling the dice of a small statistical study on whether you will have an adverse reaction that is ground-able. From personal experience, going on disability is much easier if your highest 12 month consecutive earnings in the previous 36 months is over 200k versus not much over 120k. As for adverse reactions, VAERS website is available to the kommandos too, if they can decide to learn a little. It's like aviation safety, great statistics until you be one.

Uh oh. It seems like an appeals court of q loving and Bi**e thumping judges have put the brakes on things. How selfish of them.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=uxbndlbing


At least there are a couple safe places to work still in the industry where individual “rights” don’t Trump safety.

“Mandates appear to have helped drive an increase in vaccinations. United Airlines, which had one of the strictest mandates for a major air carrier, said its employee vaccination rate increased to more than 99 percent. Delta, which used financial penalties and testing requirements, saw the employee vaccination rate jump to 90 percent from 75 percent.”

Vaccine Stance
 

I flew with another crew member recently. He had the first dose of Pfizer and about a day later developed moderate tinnitus. He’s been living with it for at least 4 months now. He went to a specialist and when he told the doc he had recently had the Pfizer shot the doc shook his head and said, “Not another one.” VAERS had 10,000+ reported cases of tinnitus the last I looked a couple months ago. He said he’s had to change his lifestyle to adapt to the never ending ringing in his ears. Don’t shoot the messenger. Just FYI. Take it or ignore it.

Someone across the room whispers "take the jab, take the jab". You go, "Huh, What?"
And there goeth your class1. Brilliant.


So sayeth I, "Huh, Really! You did that"

Just replace dance with fly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izGwDsrQ1eQ

Vaccine Stance
 

Your questions concerning an EUA, viable alternative treatments and Comirnaty are all correct. If you go to the FDA website you can search for the definition of an EUA. It clearly states that an EUA cannot exist if there are viable alternative treatments.

I have a full copy of the FDA approval for Comirnaty which is the patented name for the FDA approved mENA vaccine. The document also extends the EUA for the Pfizer shot currently being used in the U.S. As a condition of approval for Comirnaty the FDA required a new WARNING on the label for Myocarditis.

Once a viable alternative treatment is approved, the EUA’s cannot coexist unless the other treatments are also under an EUA.

Now for some interesting news since it was a big day yesterday with the federal judge halting Biden’s mandate.

This is my research below and then some links follow:

Emergent Biosolutions is the same company with the same CEO that rebranded their name from Bioport. This is the company that was awarded the sole source contract from the DOD for the Anthrax vaccine. They were cited by the FDA for numerous violations and ultimately issued a letter of intent to revoke their license. Emergent Biosolutions is the company making and distributing the J & J COVID vaccine. They have already had to pause for poor manufacturing standards and had to destroy millions of contaminated doses of the J & J vaccine.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/us-can...heLibertyDaily

Well if it’s any comfort Pfizer manipulated their clinical trial data as stated in this major peer reviewed medical journal.

https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635

Video with analysis of the Pfizer clinical trials here:

https://youtu.be/THv33zWykJc

https://youtu.be/_LzcGOjDl8Q

And let’s not leave out Moderna. They have never had an FDA approved drug or vaccine in the history of the company. Then in record time they come out with a “safe and effective” vaccine that was authorized under an EUA. Still not FDA approved.