Just FYI, there is nothing new about the visa sponsorship program. There are tons of E3 Aussies in the US already, Atlas and many other US carriers has had them for years.

 

FedEx has had contractors flying FedEx freight since the business started. Many packages travel on pax airplanes internationally. Who flys those airplanes we don't control. This is nothing new.

 

I’ve thus far stayed out of all the arguments with you in all the threads you’re in, but if you support outsourcing our jobs then GFY troll. Atlas is flying out of our ramp using our call sign with our freight. That is totally different than belly freight on pax carriers or peak assistance flying. It’s long term and it’s only 2 planes which means we could be doing it ourselves but management decided that to use a cheaper carrier instead of doing it internally.

If the union/pilot group doesn’t draw a line in the sand now, then we can kiss many of our jobs goodbye in the long term.

 

Now you’re pushing it bro, how on earth are you justifying that BS? Good thing you’re wayyyy junior to me so your job could be at stake before mine SMH.

You support getting rid of our A Plan, now you’re supporting outsourcing of our jobs. Tell me, what are you will to fight for?

 

Thanks. By no means was I trying to draw internal strife within your own ranks. I have many great FOs who are here and want to be there (FedEx), and I think they deserve it. K4 is great, for a old multi-furloughed guy like me getting in the last few years, but there is better out there. ACMIs serve a purpose, and many hold our own primary customers.
But, this one is different and scary for pilots, even at Atlas. They don’t want to be flying your freight on your routes for their pay. They want the opportunity to go to FedEx and get your pay to do it. And it’s more than “they should just stop”, they still have to put food on the table and fight their own (losing) battles with management.

Scope prevents AA from handing their feeders A320 for the current pay. Smart regional guys see scope as a positive, long term, career security. If this long term contract is allowed to continue, next year it will be 2 more planes, and so on. It’s not only the pilots, but mechanics and other airline jobs that depend on holding that line.

 

Different, not the same, way off and speaking as part of those doing it and has been here twice as long as your Purple vision. Doubtful you will, but maybe consider what your comrades are saying…

Maybe it’s a stop gap until y’all can fill it without robbing Peter to pay Paul = Doesn’t make sense as it’s only two aircraft.
*Could it be a leverage move prior to your contract negotiations or just a cheaper way forward as someone mentioned.
Curious myself - Either way, not good from a Purple standpoint as many have said.

 

I never supported “getting rid” of our A plan. Im willing to look at different A plan formulas.

Never supported outsourcing just rebuking those who are acting like this is new. We have less outsourcing now than in years past. Facts. Im all for tighter scope just tired of the lies and misinformation I see daily on internet forums/JF.

 

Did you read my post? My response was we don’t control who Atlas hires (in regards to them hiring foreign nationals). We have less wet leased airplanes now than many years past. We outsource lots of flying in different forms around the globe.

I am all for tighter scope but lets stop acting like its new or that its being done more now than before. Why do you think we blew up with block hours the past 2 years especially internationally. It’s because belly space on pax airlines didn’t exist so we actually flew more of our own freight instead of it going on a pax airplane.

FYI: its 4 airplanes isn't it? Atlas and Western Global.

 

I understand your points. Let me add some clarity.

1.) Half of AA passengers fly on regional airlines not airplanes operated by AA pilots. This is similar at all three legacies.

2.) Code share international agreements have demolished the highest paying seats at all 3 legacies.

3.) The airplanes being flown by Atlas and Western Global is triggering scope penalty payments to all FedEx pilots. We received one penalty payment and we will receive more when the contracts are over (the big checks). When AA/UA/DL outsource they don't get penalty payments. This is monetary penalty is what prevents FDX from doing this on a large scale. Its not “for free”.


It appears many haven’t read the communication sent out by the Scope Committee a few weeks ago. I read it and it adds a lot of clarity on this subject. It sounds like many others need to start reading it.

 

Zero percent of SWA passengers fly on regional airlines and they have no international codeshares agreements eroding their pay. And they are not even a legacy! Also, it’s less expensive for FDX to outsource than to increase training capacity needed to insource. We should all be in favor of trying to change that equation so FDX truly isn’t incentivized to outsource any FDX pilot job.

Do you feel that we deserve at least as much as a LCC or more? That’s why we are making an issue of it now. Pilots have opened their eyes and realize it’s a threat that’s existed and needs to be dealt with. That is a good thing and we shouldn’t bash pilots for making an issue of it now. We should welcome making progress in all aspects of the contract, but especially in scope.