Lysanderspooner

Huh?…
150% of what is a good start for what?
It’s possible that I’m understanding you but that seems too good

WearyEyed

This is not meant to negotiate in public as I’m not saying what I would accept in our contract. This is just meant as a reference for each pilot to judge what is an acceptable offer in a TA.

From information I found that was put out by the Delta MEC on their contract history they had 777 CA pay rates going up to $319.61 in May 2004 before bankruptcy which dropped their pay to $215.73 in Dec 2004. The US inflation calculator has $319.61 in 2004 being equal to $467.98 in 2021.

Legacy UNITED CA pay rates effective May 2004 (in the UPA) were $355.82 for the 747-400. That’s $520.99/hr today.

Just something to think about whenever we get a new TA to vote on.

I couldn’t find a history of FedEx pilot pay online. Does anyone have a copy of the rates from 20 years ago? I’d like to see how we’ve done compared to inflation.

TonyC

All of our previous CBAs are available on the fdx.alpa.org site under the Negotiating Committee tab.

The initial pay rate in our first CBA for a 15-yr widebody Captain beginning on the first day of the June, 1999, bid period was $183.37. That value, increased by 3% per year since that date, exceeds the current 15-year widebody Captain rate.

Mind you, simply keeping up with inflation does not constitute a pay "raise" -- it's simply a pay rate increase to allow the pilot to purchase the same level of home, car, clothes, and food on the table. A pay raise provides for a nicer house, nicer car, nicer clothes, and better food.

Food for thought.






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WearyEyed

I was curious how we fared compared to inflation to see if our current contract has at the very least kept up with inflation. Our retirement obviously has not.

Our colleagues at passenger airlines are currently getting less compared to negotiated rates from 20 years ago. United pay rates haven’t even returned to the rates from 2004 not even factoring in inflation. Industry wide we are getting less and it’s past time to stop letting companies profit off our reduced earnings.

Anderair

I have always heard that the pay potential at FedEx was superior to that of the pax carriers. It seems pretty straightforward looking at the pay scales available on APC. However, using Delta as an example, you may not be unable to upgrade to WB Captain for a long time but a NB CA can expect to pull in $290,000ish. With the profit sharing I would guess you are pulling in around $315,000. I'm guessing 10% yearly profit sharing is average (Covid years aside). Is $315,000 that far off what a FedEx WB CA would make if he just flew his line like the hypothetical Delta NB CA? I realize that being on a WB pay scale from day one is an advantage for career gains. It just seems to me that legacy FO and CA pay plus profit sharing isn't that far off of the pay rates I see on APC for FedEx. Forgive me if I am overlooking something obvious, simply trying to wrap my head around where the massive cash flows I hear about from FedEx guys is coming from. Is it all coming from picking up premium pay and the like?

Dakota

BANKRUPTCY. Has FEDEX ever filed for bankruptcy?

Noworkallplay

Are we using the pay rates UA negotiated just prior to bankruptcy that never even got on a Pilots paycheck? The ones that the CEO was quoted as saying “congratulations you will never see that pay” as he walked out of negotiations and into a bankruptcy court? DL had a similar situation and im not sure they got more than a month or two of the new rates prior to bankruptcy.

I do understand keeping up with inflation, but lets us rates that actually stayed in place.

Dakota

MODERATORS, BAN this troll……please. He/She is ruining this forum.

Stan446

You know the moderators make money off this forum? So they only ban stuff that could get them sued. If you haven't figured it out, this forum is the place of worthless information that has no impact on a FX contract, but guys are making money off your whining.

C2078

Comparing 5th year WB Capt at Fedex vs 5th year NB Capt at Delta, hourly rate difference is about $50-60. Delta DC is 16%, Fedex 9%. Delta PS is never a sure thing, but Delta does have cash over cap. The one thing that is the big differentiator is the pension. As long as that is in place and it is well funded, it is a big deal. With all the talk of ALPA FDX trying to negotiate a new plan and the company desperately wanting to get rid of it, who knows what will happen.

The jobs are also about preference. Fedex still has line bidding, and when properly staffed, pilots have the ability to drop trips and message their schedules more than any other job, again when properly staffed. The job also doesn’t require much seniority to hold paid commercial tickets to work, but even without CML tickets, commuting on Fedex on metal is significantly less stressful than commuting on a pax airline. Obviously living in base evens out this advantage, and Delta has significantly more places to live options. Health insurance premiums at Delta are ridiculously high, about half at Fedex.

Bottom line, you take away the pension, and the gap narrows significantly. I suspect if Fedex is ever successful in negotiating away the pension, it’s gonna require something like a 18-20% DC plus cash over cap.