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Old 11-06-2021 | 02:35 PM
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Old 11-06-2021 | 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Nightflyer
While I have not been able to do it, if you are able to drop your entire line, and then pick up the same number of hours at draft, you are not flying "extra", you are flying "smarter". The company gets the same amount of productivity, but you get paid more. Personally, I have no problem with that.
Now we are getting into justifying behavior that helps those who are holding up our contract. They don’t draft people because they have a bunch of people waiting around to do the trip. Start thinking
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Old 11-06-2021 | 02:53 PM
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I understand your point but I don’t think it’s as easy as “flying your line”. Sometimes “life” gets in the way and we, as pilots, need to drop trips and pickup trips (for straight pay, gasp) in order to meet BLG and pay the bills.

Once again sometimes we need to make sacrifices to get a deal done. We’ve got to stop making excuses. Everybody can find an excuse and a reason. Those who keep doing this is the reason why we have problems getting an agreement done in a reasonable amount of time.

Next will be the person that tries to find a sly way to justify doing extra and draft.
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Old 11-06-2021 | 02:54 PM
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And now we realize that people like you are the reason we can’t get a contract done. Justifying ways to say it’s OK to do draft. Why do you think they draft people to do trips? Do you think it’s because they have a bunch of people on reserve to cover them? Or do you think it’s because they’re desperate?
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Old 11-06-2021 | 03:22 PM
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It’s simple, look at all the OT with pilots offering TPU… why? Cause they wanna dump those trips to get called for draft!! Pathetic.

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That’s not exactly what’s going on, I mean, maybe some people are, but for the most part, if you want to adjust your schedule at all, you have to PROF trips, because scheduling is denying everything in a lot of seats right now...
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Old 11-06-2021 | 03:58 PM
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When you manipulate your schedule and then pick up OT trips over yellow/red days your are helping the company! Those days are red and yellow for a reason, staffing low on those days. Even if you are “just getting back to guarantee”. Fly your line and thats it. Make some sacrifices! If you are not willing to sacrifice then you are the problem.

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Old 11-06-2021 | 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
When you manipulate your schedule and then pick up OT trips over yellow/red days your are helping the company! Even if you are “just getting back to guarantee”. Fly your line and thats it. Make some sacrifices! If you are not willing to sacrifice then you are the problem.

I don’t agree with this 100%. The thing that matters the most is how many credits you fly. If each pilot flew no more than BLG/RLG then the same number of hours get flown as flying the line. No extra. You’re Demonizing people who try and improve their quality of life by using Proffer. TPU being the only option in many seats. I can’t criticize balancing the line back to BLG regardless of pay code. I’ve heard one of the things the company is targeting is the clean footprint left by TPU for AVA. Not sure if that matters, but they don’t like it because it’s caused pilots to fly less actual credit because what they are flying is at premium. Not sure if that matters, but the fact they are targeting it is telling.
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Old 11-06-2021 | 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Nightflyer
While I have not been able to do it, if you are able to drop your entire line, and then pick up the same number of hours at draft, you are not flying "extra", you are flying "smarter". The company gets the same amount of productivity, but you get paid more. Personally, I have no problem with that.
Think I am going to have to disagree with you on this one.
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Old 11-06-2021 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
When you manipulate your schedule and then pick up OT trips over yellow/red days your are helping the company! Those days are red and yellow for a reason, staffing low on those days. Even if you are “just getting back to guarantee”. Fly your line and thats it. Make some sacrifices! If you are not willing to sacrifice then you are the problem.
So, it’s draft, trading for trips on yellow/red days, but picking up straight time on green days to get back to guarantee is ok? Or is that still not ok with you? Or just stick with the shotgun crap hole of a schedule that the SLG spit out and take one for the team for the next year or so?
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Old 11-06-2021 | 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by USMCFDX
Think I am going to have to disagree with you on this one.

It’s smart to fly your BLG @ AVA. Simple math, not my opinion. More pain on the company, same 15 or 19 day footprint that I was awarded anyway.

Just gotta be senior enough to play the conflict game.
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