BrianH

If the membership new in '13-'15 we were going to run out of money do to miss-management of our dues, I bet there would have been more noise. $14.1 Million of our dues money is a lot to spend on a contract especially when the MEC did not even try for the MCF $5 Million grant back then. I remember how shocked the audience was when the then Sec/Tres told the membership there was just over $400K left in the bank when the "TA in concept" was agreed to by the NC and $14.1 million was spent on the effort. How much later was the language finished? Oh and has contract '15 been fully implemented yet? How is that great Secondary Line Generator anyway? I still remember a quote from one who was in the know, "they travel in entourages and stay in suits." When I heard we were out of money, I understood the quote better.

NO if we had known then, I think things would have been different. So we can learn from the past or not. This time you can't say you didn't know.

Thankfully, this time around our dues are being watched a bit closer. I give credit where it is due. There is still some FPL National should be paying like Legislative Affairs for cargo issues to name one. I haven't seen much lately from national on any cargo issues, have you?

Noworkallplay

The only place I see hypocrisy is within us line pilots ourselves. I fly with them weekly. We say we want big gains in pay, retirement and QOL and then never stand behind those demands with actions. The company isn't stupid. Why would they improve these things when most are still doing EXTRA for the pay and retirement we currently have. The hypocrisy lies within 3/4 of our pilots.

Anthrax

still waiting on that DM so we can explore our differences over a cup of joe. on me, because you my friend, if you are a line pilot, are asking for an illegal job action, and don’t think for one moment that the company won’t make an example out of you. or maybe you’re not a pilot and you’re trying to incite disturbances within the ranks. tell me, all these pilots you claim that are flying extra, have you asked them about it? of course not, because the first call would be to the DO and you’d be met with instant karma. but you’ll get on here and blab away, and so let me say as a professional courtesy to you, not that you deserve any, the company can easily find out who you are, if you are who you say you are, and if you are it’s no wonder we’re in the sorry state that we’re in as a union. also, maybe you should run for office and work to change the contract that allows for drf/vlt, et al., work that is presently protected in the contract and fully enforceable by law. so we must part ways, nobrains, and i’m wishing you the worst of all possible luck.

HvypurplePylot

That was a lot of noise. Can you just clearly state what you want that you're not getting?

HIFLYR

You can go down and look at the FRC report at the union office anytime you like during office hours and it includes a complete FPL accounting.

Anthrax

good point. perhaps this is the hangover effect, but consider this: the time between when the TA was presented and when it was voted on wasn’t enough for a thorough analysis, and so what had were union reps and their cheerleaders telling the membership that this was the best we could get so get on board and vote yes. perhaps this go around we plant a seed of skepticism so as to achieve the pillars as stated in the openers. pillars that we failed to achieve in ‘15 when everyone was saying that we were better positioned than any time in history to do so.

pinseeker

Really, so recalling a rep/reps in 2012 because they wanted to end the 2011 bridge contract as provided in the agreement and enter negotiations wasn't an attack on reps? Didn't the company agree to continue good faith negotiations during the duration of the bridge contract in order to expedite negotiations? So, in reality, those expedited negotiations lasted from 2010 until 2015. That really gets my hopes up that we will negotiate a leading contract by May.

Noworkallplay

What fleet Captains office do you work in? That would make the meeting spot easier to determine. Or are you helping labor relations out during negotiations? Either of the previous scenarios appears to be the angle you look at everything from. Flying the line you are awarded is not and never has been a job action. Many do it all the time in and out of negotiations. Its in the contract as you stated. Thanks for the offer for a cup of Joe, however it is very apparent we have very little in common. You use your time to drive division. I have no time for that. I do appreciate the kind regards and luck of the Irish. I wish I had more time in life currently to volunteer, but I don't. This is the reason I give support and appreciation to those who do. I know that no decisions within a representative organization are made in a bubble. Many people research and analyze prior to moving in one direction or another. I have been helped many times by volunteers along the way through out my career. Pay issues, DHD issues, bidding, just to name a few. This is why I cant understand the few people like you who throw stones at every opportunity that presents itself. Much like the thread starter. Its like you have a personal agenda. Its weird actually and concerning. We are in negotiations and now is when we need to unify and stop the constant complaining and dart throwing. Support those who we are counting on. Have you ever noticed the company doesn't have an open web forum or Facebook page to throw darts at each other? Have you seen a Chief pilots chastising an attorney for how they approached negotiations in an open forum or Facebook? Why do you think they don't allow this? We know they disagree on topics at times like all humans. Everyone on the companies side doesn't get what they want all the time. They don't argue and complain in public because it weakens them as a group. Maybe us pilots will figure that out one day.

HD Driver

This is a reply to all those that are upset about working extra. Instead of casting net on ALL how about we consider certain circumstances. I am a VERY JR 75 Capt. I do not control line assigned. So with my carryover trip it knocked out 24 hours in April. In view add since I am so JR I could not get a trip that fit my footprint So how do I take a 24 hour hit in a month… 3 six hour days at AVA = 27 hours close enough.

Let’s not forget about all the instructors that justify working extra. “ I have to be there to get you checked out or they will cancel your training” LET THEM CANCEL TRAINING And then they will hire more instructors and your gravy train will end also and we will go NOQ due to instructor shortage. A great domino effect.

Please quit casting nets

Noworkallplay

Holding carryover as a “very jr 75 capt”? Good work. You get that carryover on your very jr line?

I understand not getting anything that perfectly fits your days off. It happens. Many of us have to fly trips that overlay things we would rather be home for. How about doing MU when OT opens? Instead you are waiting around for AVA? I think that is the difference most see. Just sayin

As for instructors I would agree that dichotomy doesn’t pass mustard. So now you see the discontent many have with the numerous “situations” and excuses people make to enrich themselves. All at the cost of those not making excuses.

Look at it this way. When does AVA/vbb/drft get offered? You do you. Just then be ok with 3+ year negotiations and COLA’s