I agree with TonyC your input is valuable. I wish there were +5000 voices asking the hard questions. We would all benefit from more involvement from the crewforce.

Mentorship requires us all. Leadership requires accountability. Unions only work if we all pitch in some.

If you have been here for six years, you may be in block 5 by now. Willingness to serve opens this week. Consider running. Side note, I was in block five until my 17th year on property. I know one pilot who was the caboose for over five years. Young pilots have advancements we could only dream about.


About NYC, bring a friend, and ask them to bring a friend.

 

This discussion reminds me of the early 2000's. We had meetings in the AOC. The MEC officers held regular meetings during the AM hub turn. The turnout was usually good, 100 or more pilots even though we were trying to get sleep. I also remember our leaders standing up for the pilots. A specific example is the company's assault on captains authority regarding cockpit jump seats. The company believed that horse handlers with tranquilizer guns should be able to ride in those seats without any question from the captain. A couple captains did not feel comfortable with this considering 9/11 had happened. So what did the company do when a captain refused a cockpit seat to a handler, they fired him. What did our leadership do. Well, the MEC chairman picked up a flight with horse handlers, and proceeded to bump a horse handler from the cockpit seat. He led by example. He put himself out there knowing what the potential consequences were. The result was a voluntary fund for the fired captains that supplemented their lost wages until they got their jobs back. The membership rallied around the cause.

Now, what kind of leadership are we seeing. Who would recognize the MEC officers, or their block reps if they ran into them on a trip? Who is at fault for that? Are our leaders setting the example they want us all to follow? If we want the contract we deserve, we need bold leadership. These leaders need to send the message to the company as well as the members that we will not accept stalling tactics. They need to send the message that we are willing to fight for what we deserve if that is what is required. And, the leadership needs to start getting the members ready for a fight in case it is needed. There is too much apathy from both the membership and the leadership currently.

 

Rather than highlight the parts of your post I would have highlighted, I chose to omit the other parts instead.

AMEN!






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Never meant you can’t have a opinion but how do you know how it’s always been here? Plenty of people in the past have volunteered for the union and supported the cause. Painting a broad brush implying the majority of us didn’t and do not support the union is what I was talking about. I am still hoping for a contract I can finally vote yes for!

 

Whenever Strategic Plans decides on a date, a certain percentage of the company will have to work. It'd be nice to go but I can't. I made the last one.

The updates are from the negotiating committee. That's good enough for me. I don't need a biometric checkout of the specific volunteer that I feel owes me an explanation. The update is on the alpa FedEx Alpa website. I'm not making this up... You must be struggling to find it for some reason. The "Negotiators Notepad" literally has an update dated 3 September.

As for the rest of your rambling... The Negotiating Committee is good enough for me. I'll accept their updates more than an elected rep who isn't sitting at that table. Sorry they don't meet your expectations but that's not my problem.

 

He provided a link to the message, so obviously he knows where it is. You even quoted the message with the link. So where are the messages from our leaders? Do you even know who the leaders are?

 

Me struggling? That's funny. You're the one who seems to be struggling here. OK, I'll type slowly now.

Here's how this conversation began. You said:


I asked:

and pointed out that the updates we received were from committee chairs, not our leaders.

Then I asked,

You did not answer. You just observed that the COMMITTTEE updates are posted on the FDX ALPA website.

Somehow you still haven't figured out that the e-mails I referenced are the same updates you read on the website.

(At the risk of confusing you with an aside, I have to wonder now if you're subscribed to e-mail updates. If not, you should sign up.)



So I accommodated your preference to use the website to view the updates and again drew your attention to the fact that they came from COMMITTEE Chairs -- not leaders.

But you apparently don't understand that. I even tried to explain the difference between committee chairs and elected leaders.

But I seem to have exceeded your twitter 280 character attention span because all you took away was "ramble."

It's one thing to be uninformed or ignorant -- that can be easily remedied with information and knowledge. We all go through that process over and over throughout our lifetime.

It's another thing to deliberately refuse information and knowledge because one wants to remain uninformed and ignorant.

So I won't repeat my explanation that committee chairs are not leaders. You said you don't need to hear from our leaders, even though you earlier said, "I trust our leaders more than you."

So, you've changed your tune from "I trust our leaders" and "They gave us an update yesterday" to "The updates are from the negotiating committee" (still not correct as one of them was from the SPSC) and "I'll accept their updates more than an elected rep."



Actually, it is your problem. You've switched from one problematic position to another, but I can't make you understand if you don't want to.


To review, you said we received an update from our leaders, and that statement was false.






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My LEC reps send out communications very frequently. Layer onto that the Negotiations updates, SPSC and it is more than enough. I don’t need talking for the sake of talking.

 

You are very naive if you think the Negotiating Committee is good enough. Good enough for you maybe but hardly good enough for the contract we deserve.

 

Have you received an update from the MEC leadership since the last day of Negotiating Meetings with the Company went by with no TA?


Didn't think so.






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