Originally Posted by BrianH;[url=tel:3618481

3618481[/url]]Clearly there has been a loss of focus. We entered negotiations with limited items and a 13 month agreed to timeline nearly two years ago (knowing other items would be deferred to the next contract cycle). And now our NC chairman puts "acceptable pay rates" in his comms to us. "Industry Leading" is our goal. Not "acceptable."

Our NC has not jumped the shark, it has been eaten by the shark. Our NC willingly added another chapter to the mill around checklist and provided a path to a clean "strike vote free" 5 APR. What a self inflicted error. All after the MEC authorized the strike vote. Who adds more complexity after the MEC authorizes a strike vote?

lets remember the goalposts.

The MEC needs to quickly assess the goals, success so far and the path forward. If this team has lost focus, direction or drive, replacing them, which will take some time, is the right thing to do. The MEC needs to stand and be counted. Do they have what it takes to take back control of this process and demand an industry leading contract or not? If not, replacing them by the membership may have to happen.

It is time to stop "trusting the process" and it is time to verify what the heck is going on.

I will be sending my Local Council Chairman "considerations for recall." By the time we get to 18 APR, we should know if this has gone way off the rails or not. If things have gotten back on track, I'll pull the motions, if not, I'll let the chips fall as they may.


What 's next a five, six, seven, eight year contract? With at least two more years of negotiations? Again. Oh and how is that new secondary line generator doing anyway?


This crazy train has to stop.

Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox

See Brian, this is a prime example of what you do. You create division. You cast doubt on our negotiating committee and union in general. You are a cancer to this crew force.

Communication sent this morning clarifies the situation with our pay rates and the performance based pay.

You and others who claimed the NC pushed this concept are undeniably wrong.

Think and gather all of the facts before you post.

Our negotiating committee is still on target and I support them 100%.

Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox

See Brian, this is a prime example of what you do. You create division. You cast doubt on our negotiating committee and union in general. You are a cancer to this crew force.

Communication sent this morning clarifies the situation with our pay rates and the performance based pay.

You and others who claimed the NC pushed this concept are undeniably wrong.

Think and gather all of the facts before you post.

Our negotiating committee is still on target and I support them 100%.

Originally Posted by threeighteen

The communication this morning shows how far off target the NC is. The fact that this is even being considered in lieu of industry leading pay is ridiculously insulting.

Originally Posted by Shaman

What a bunch of 🐎 $@!^ and lies. Here's the facts for you. They published leading survey questions because they wanted to go in a particular direction. The pay rates they asked for were modest at best and embarrassing in retrospect. They thought they could give a little on the pay rates they asked for and offer up a few more concessions (after all ya gotta give something to get something right?!) Then once inflation sky rocketed and other pilot groups negotiated more favorable rates they were stuck. They couldn't ask for more nor could they move towards the pathetic counter that the Company put forward. They were shocked and stunned by events that upset their designs for a quick deal.

So our ask is well below what delta has TA'D and to save face they want to spin this as an enhancement. If you're stupid enough to believe any of this you need to take a good hard look at your ability to judge character. There should be no TA presented from this process. Maybe you're sick of the falsehoods, obfuscation, and equivocation as much as I am. They cannot deliver what we expect so the will expect us to measure our expectations.

NO SIR!

WE ARE AT AN IMPASSE!!! MOVE AWAY FROM THE TABLE THERES NO MORE TO DISCUSS.

Originally Posted by opt0712

What? Read it again, as this isn't being considered in lieu of industry leady pay. In bold you will find it's in addition to. "We have been consistent with our pay rate proposals - the foundation of which has been driven by pilot survey data." The openers and data driven feedback have never wavered from industry leading rates.

Originally Posted by threeighteen

You’re not reading the whole situation clearly.

1. We asked for industry leading pay rates (maybe? Who knows).

2. Company says no deal.

3. This plan was suggested by the mediator instead of industry leading pay rates.

4. we are now entertaining this plan which means we are entertaining less than industry leading pay rates.





if there are concessions in what we have already TA’d, you can guarantee the company is gonna fight hard on rates so that when they finally come to an agreement, guys will be so worn down they’ll vote yes.