Scope Discussion
04-14-2023, 02:29 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by MrSuupafly
They don’t necessarily get to do it for free internationally. Any route traditionally flown by FedEx pilots incurs a scope penalty if that route is wet leased to another airline. The penalty is double the 15 year pay rate for a wide body Captain, FO and FE, multiplied by the block hours flown.
04-14-2023, 04:37 AM
#12
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Originally Posted by DaRaiders
Cool. So we can expect another check for all the flying ASL is taking from us soon? Sweet!
In all seriousness, the company stated the CGN FDA costs have increased to a level that is no longer sustainable? The exchange rate between the Euro and the Dollar is roughly 30% better TODAY than when they opened the domicile so I don’t buy that statement. Just six months ago they were plugging new hires into CGN….apparently in the last six months it just got way too expensive…..
04-14-2023, 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Fr8Master
If we can’t hammer down scope can we at least get an automatic flow agreement to ASL?
In all seriousness, the company stated the CGN FDA costs have increased to a level that is no longer sustainable? The exchange rate between the Euro and the Dollar is roughly 30% better TODAY than when they opened the domicile so I don’t buy that statement. Just six months ago they were plugging new hires into CGN….apparently in the last six months it just got way too expensive…..
In all seriousness, the company stated the CGN FDA costs have increased to a level that is no longer sustainable? The exchange rate between the Euro and the Dollar is roughly 30% better TODAY than when they opened the domicile so I don’t buy that statement. Just six months ago they were plugging new hires into CGN….apparently in the last six months it just got way too expensive…..
It got way too expensive compared to subcontracting out 737s. It’s pretty obvious what’s going on, the new BOD and McKinsey are squeezing out every drop and the gaping hole in our scope clause was the first place they went.
04-14-2023, 05:29 AM
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Glad everyone has come down from their covid high. And opened their eyes to how terrible our scope is and how the company will leverage it every day to make you fear for your jobs and further divide this pilot group. Now, let’s all do one thing together. Since this is clearly become a very important topic. We need to draft a letter to the NC and MEC representing all the pilots. Sort of like a petition. Demanding we see the scope section now. Legally they have no reason not to let us read the language. If it sucks…. I am certain it does. It will only fuel the fire to get this fixed.
04-14-2023, 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by 0617Ld
Glad everyone has come down from their covid high. And opened their eyes to how terrible our scope is and how the company will leverage it every day to make you fear for your jobs and further divide this pilot group. Now, let’s all do one thing together. Since this is clearly become a very important topic. We need to draft a letter to the NC and MEC representing all the pilots. Sort of like a petition. Demanding we see the scope section now. Legally they have no reason not to let us read the language. If it sucks…. I am certain it does. It will only fuel the fire to get this fixed.
04-14-2023, 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by UnusualAttitude
Our MEC and NC have one goal, retirement gains at all costs, even your job. This group is divided because of ALPA’s failed “targeted approach.” It’s past time for Scope to be taken seriously. I have personally provided data, contract language from other properties, etc. The response from my reps, “there are negative implications to reopening already TA’d sections.” Well, there are negative implications to being unemployed.
04-14-2023, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by 0617Ld
Glad everyone has come down from their covid high. And opened their eyes to how terrible our scope is and how the company will leverage it every day to make you fear for your jobs and further divide this pilot group. Now, let’s all do one thing together. Since this is clearly become a very important topic. We need to draft a letter to the NC and MEC representing all the pilots. Sort of like a petition. Demanding we see the scope section now. Legally they have no reason not to let us read the language. If it sucks…. I am certain it does. It will only fuel the fire to get this fixed.
04-16-2023, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by FXLAX
If we are legally allowed to fly the route, only pilots on the FedEx seniority list can operate those aircraft, period. It’s that simple.
04-16-2023, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by UnusualAttitude
Our MEC and NC have one goal, retirement gains at all costs, even your job. This group is divided because of ALPA’s failed “targeted approach.” It’s past time for Scope to be taken seriously. I have personally provided data, contract language from other properties, etc. The response from my reps, “there are negative implications to reopening already TA’d sections.” Well, there are negative implications to being unemployed.
If you want more scope provisions, you'll need to vote down any TA and then lobby for change to get it into debate with the company.
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