Nothing is protected!

”Notwithstanding any other provision of the Agreement, the Company may continue to interline, co-load, code-share, part charter and en- ter into block space agreements with other carriers to move freight and service in International (outside the contiguous 48 states) markets as required.
Within the Domestic system (the contiguous 48 United States) the use of the above shall be done only: (1) when necessary to expedite or (2) when economically necessary, unless otherwise agreed to by the parties.”

 

I was asking the UPS pilot about theirs.

 

YES, Our International flying is protected.

 

Yo, oncewasNoWork, what do you say to that?

We need to strengthen Scope, international and domestic, period. Without doing so the rest of the CBA gains are pointless when we lose our jobs to pilots paid less than us.

It’s happening already! Our 757 EUR flying is going away because our pilots are being replaced by ASL pilots. We are already losing flying, TODAY. Should we wait to see what the company’s plans are for Asia flying, and leave Scope for 5-7 years from now? Fck no!!! (Obviously, I’d love for the TA’d section 1 to address all of this, but I bet it’s not).

 

OncewasNowork! 😆. That’s funny! (Spot on also; he has to be, in an even more inane and aggressive incarnation)

 

This could not be further from the truth, regarding belly freight and wet leasing. Outside of peak as allowed by our CBA and the now terminated temporary agreement between CGN and HKG, UPS moves all their packages. Nothing else moves outside the UPS system.

Now if you are talking about freight, we sold that division in the last 18 months. I believe it is still UPS branded for a bit longer. Also some, not all of our non air packages get placed in UPS travel trailers/containers and moved by rail, depending on distance and economics.

If your group is being told this, it is outright incorrect.

 

Go back through the Unions and company’s history of rubbing each others back and. Ow we have de Shaw. How was the last contract that barely passed viewed now and I believe tagged to it a lawsuit that is under a gag order. Lots of history we do not know about. Read everything you are sold and analyze everything you are not told.

I will make my mind up when I see the TA….which at this rate will be in two
more years.

No concessions, fix the scope and leading industry pay rates.

 

I really dislike your post. You are defaming the union leadership to which I think nearly all of them (maybe one or two) were not around for any past wrongdoing. The plaintiff's lawsuit post contract 2015 is public. You can see what was alleged. I almost joined the lawsuit and would have been #5. No gag order, the case was settled. If I have that wrong, please, someone correct me. I am good friends with the person who brought the case and your account is not my recollection of events.

I think everyone needs to calm down. For many here, this is your first system bid where movement is going backwards. This is the first time you're learning that FedEx, as others have known, isn't the mecca your squadron mate told you it was. The sky isn't falling. Relax. Stay unified. And God sakes, VOTE !!!! Make sure all of your classmates and friends do.

 

I would love nothing more than to be wrong about this. So please assuage my concerns and show me in the contract how this is true. Maybe I’m reading it all wrong?

This is a scope thread. No one has mentioned the system bid. Let’s not conflate the two. One has nothing to do with the other. They are separate discussions. This scope issue was being discussed before any mention of a system bid coming out.

 

When I was at Atlas we had UPS cans onboard routinely. "UPS Supply Chain Solutions"