Scope Discussion
04-16-2023, 08:15 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by NotMrNiceGuy
Admittedly, I’m a novice when it comes to this subject. However, in light of recent events, I believe this is the headline issue of the forthcoming contract. I just wanted to hear everyone’s thoughts on what should be primary considerations when it comes to this subject. I have my focus areas which I will now list, but I would like others to highlight some blind spots for me if you could.
Here’s my top four scope items:
1. International Scope
Here’s my top four scope items:
1. International Scope
- All international flights conducted by FEDEX ALPA from represented crewmembers will continue to be flown by such crewmembers. The Company will
continually pursue additional route authority on a good faith basis. As the Company secures additional international route authority, it will take all reasonable steps to assure that such routes are flown by FEDEX ALPA crewmembers in accordance with this Agreement within two (2) bid periods of the date the route authority was granted. If the Company’s use of a subcontractor exceeds the two (2) bid periods under circumstances cited in this paragraph, the Company will meet with the Association to discuss the reason(s) for the delay. In no event will the Company take more than twelve (12) months to transition the new flying to the IPA, unless the parties mutually agree otherwise. The Company will report all use of subcontractors pursuant to this Section to the Association. - The above is copy and pasted from the UPS SCOPE section. This is a non-negotiable item for me. If it’s not in there, it’s a line in the sand. I understand some may disagree, but I didn’t come to FedEx for a domestic only airline.
- In addition to this scope, I would include an aircraft size restriction that all international flying that utilizes aircraft that have FedEx pay rates in our contract must utilize FedEx pilots.
- I realize this may not be enforceable or may face legal challenges. I don’t care. Get it in there.
- All FedEx flights must have a minimum of two FedEx pilots.
- Delta has this. I want it.
- If future Pilot operations should no longer require an RFO Pilot in the aircraft and they move that position to the ground, that ground pilot must be a FedEx seniority list Pilot.
- All FedEx freight that is flown between cities that are served by FedEx trunk aircraft both international and domestic must be flown by FedEx pilots.
- Example - The company cannot utilize United airlines direct from SFO-LHR.
- The company may utilize third party aircraft between cities that do not warrant trunk aircraft on that route, but once payload averages exceed 75,000 pounds per week, FedEx aircraft must be utilized.
- For domestic operations, no more than ten cans can be shipped third party from an origin city per week. Beyond this, a significant penalty will be levied.
dude I stopped reading after I saw how long you ramble. Gotta learn brevity
04-16-2023, 11:09 PM
#22
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Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox
Respectfully, we are at the NMB. We can not change our wants at this time. Doing so greatly jeopardizes our TA going forward.
If you want more scope provisions, you'll need to vote down any TA and then lobby for change to get it into debate with the company.
If you want more scope provisions, you'll need to vote down any TA and then lobby for change to get it into debate with the company.
04-18-2023, 03:34 PM
#23
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Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox
Respectfully, we are at the NMB. We can not change our wants at this time. Doing so greatly jeopardizes our TA going forward.
If you want more scope provisions, you'll need to vote down any TA and then lobby for change to get it into debate with the company.
If you want more scope provisions, you'll need to vote down any TA and then lobby for change to get it into debate with the company.
Don't give me a peek at what happens at the end of the slaughterhouse chute and think I'm just gonna keep strolling down the chute.
04-18-2023, 04:40 PM
#24
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Originally Posted by Merle Haggard
Respectfully, when the process takes this long (intentionally) at the hands of the company, and the landscape completely changes, then that's exactly what has to happen.
Don't give me a peek at what happens at the end of the slaughterhouse chute and think I'm just gonna keep strolling down the chute.
Don't give me a peek at what happens at the end of the slaughterhouse chute and think I'm just gonna keep strolling down the chute.
04-18-2023, 05:13 PM
#25
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Originally Posted by Dakota
Do you think management ever watches the bull*hit LMS they require us to watch? How's that "purple promise" , integrity and ethics coming along? Wasn't it Raj who was spouting off on how "ethical" FEDEX is? I guess a double standard is better than no standard at all 😏 I VOTED............................YES! We need "I voted" stickers from the Association that we can put on our uniforms.............better yet pins!
No concessions, fix the scope, and leading pay.
04-18-2023, 05:40 PM
#26
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Originally Posted by Spot13
don’t forget de shaw making its way to steal more $weat from us to drive us out while Raj does nothing but make 5 million a year. Association (MEC and NC) wont make those pins because it would hurt their management jobs waiting for them. It is up to us.
No concessions, fix the scope, and leading pay.
No concessions, fix the scope, and leading pay.
On another note, why are they scared of unions and at the same time aspire to be UPS while being outperformed by UPS - a fully unionized Teamsters operation who doesn't contract everything?
Is the problem the line workers or the management?
04-18-2023, 06:29 PM
#27
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Originally Posted by oncewasgood
I agree with most everything except the UPS statement. They do just as much wet leasing and belly freight as we do if not more. This was discussed at the meeting today. We are all entitled to our own opinions but not our own facts. Making up unsubstantiated statements isn’t helpful except to add confusion and discord. That is not what we need at this point.
04-18-2023, 08:41 PM
#28
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Originally Posted by oncewasgood
Once again asked and answered at today’s meeting.
04-18-2023, 09:22 PM
#29
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Originally Posted by FXLAX
He said teamsters, not ipa, So it’s safe to assume he meant outsourcing of their drivers like we do. As for wet leasing, just because IPA allows it, doesn’t mean it’s a good thing or that we should do the same.
04-18-2023, 09:33 PM
#30
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Originally Posted by Precontact
We UPS pilots would love to know what they said about wet leasing and belly freight. We have some very limited provisions in our scope clause but it is policed and we have been awarded damages from prior violations.
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